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High sec 1v1 Dueling still broken.
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Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2013-06-20 17:58:49 UTC
The point was not at all to make duels fair. It was to give people a "legit" and quick way to fight each other in high sec. Before the duel function was implemented, people dropped cans and stole from them to initiate a duel. It worked, but it was also just a workaround, and since CCP remade the whole empire aggression mechanics thingy anyway, they implemented a legit and straightforward way to initiate combat with another capsuleer. I am certain it was never intended to make eve a space-honourable esports game.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-06-20 18:02:41 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
1) Join fleet with the person you want to duel.
2) Go to a safe spot.
3) Offer the duel.
4) ????
5) Fair fight?


6) Bring your own RR alts that already have the safespot bookmarked

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Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#23 - 2013-06-20 18:09:58 UTC
Why duel when you can caaaaaare beeeeaaaaar.

[u]Can't wait untill when Eve online is Freemium.[/u] WiS only 10$, SP booster for one month 15$, DPS Boost 2$, EHP Boost 2$ Real money trading hub! Cosmeitic ship skins 15$ --> If you don't [u]pay **[/u]for a product, you ARE the [u]**product[/u].

BadAssMcKill
Aliastra
#24 - 2013-06-20 18:11:06 UTC
Andski wrote:
Mr Kidd wrote:
1) Join fleet with the person you want to duel.
2) Go to a safe spot.
3) Offer the duel.
4) ????
5) Fair fight?


6) Bring your own RR alts that already have the safespot bookmarked


Do you have no honore?
MickeyFinn
Rheinmetall Group
East Wind.
#25 - 2013-06-20 18:38:04 UTC
Neuntausend wrote:
The point was not at all to make duels fair. It was to give people a "legit" and quick way to fight each other in high sec. Before the duel function was implemented, people dropped cans and stole from them to initiate a duel. It worked, but it was also just a workaround, and since CCP remade the whole empire aggression mechanics thingy anyway, they implemented a legit and straightforward way to initiate combat with another capsuleer. I am certain it was never intended to make eve a space-honourable esports game.



The goon said "legit" Like a goon knows what that is.. LOL Stop with all the eve is not fair. This is one part of eve and it needs to be fair.

You can say it all day that eve is unfair. But it dose not change that have a 1v1 system that lets other become involved in is still a broken part of the game.

They did alot of things right with this game. and they have done alot wrong. This one is wrong. Just concord people and move on. Easy fix.
Nikolai Lachance
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-06-20 18:47:26 UTC
What's the saying? If you find yourself in a fair and balanced fight, you've both screwed up.

Offering a duel isn't offering a fair fight, it's offering to agree to tell concord not to bug you while you shoot at each other. Everything else is up to you. If you want a fair fight, work it out with your opponent. If you can't trust him to fight fair then don't.
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-06-20 18:47:42 UTC
MickeyFinn wrote:
Neuntausend wrote:
The point was not at all to make duels fair. It was to give people a "legit" and quick way to fight each other in high sec. Before the duel function was implemented, people dropped cans and stole from them to initiate a duel. It worked, but it was also just a workaround, and since CCP remade the whole empire aggression mechanics thingy anyway, they implemented a legit and straightforward way to initiate combat with another capsuleer. I am certain it was never intended to make eve a space-honourable esports game.



The goon said "legit" Like a goon knows what that is.. LOL Stop with all the eve is not fair. This is one part of eve and it needs to be fair.

You can say it all day that eve is unfair. But it dose not change that have a 1v1 system that lets other become involved in is still a broken part of the game.

They did alot of things right with this game. and they have done alot wrong. This one is wrong. Just concord people and move on. Easy fix.


And this is how they presented this "fair" dueling feature. It's pretty clear they were quite well aware how it would actually work.

I agree that your proposed solution to the problem is easy though. Easy and bad.
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-06-20 18:48:17 UTC
Leave hi-sec.
Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#29 - 2013-06-20 19:12:31 UTC
Just concord people and move on. Easy fix.


I like that.

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SpoonRECKLESS
Beach Boys
The Minions.
#30 - 2013-06-20 19:22:42 UTC
Eddard Stark was a man of Honour look what it cost him.

Blue
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#31 - 2013-06-20 19:33:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
I see the mechanic described as offering a "Duel", not offering a "Guaranteed Fair and Equal Duel".

If you are concerned have some friends (or people you have hired) wait from those remote reppers to turn suspect.

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Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2013-06-20 20:20:27 UTC
MickeyFinn wrote:
The goon said "legit" Like a goon knows what that is.. LOL Stop with all the eve is not fair. This is one part of eve and it needs to be fair.


Well, good luck with your honourable quest then. o7m8, see you on the battlefield.
BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#33 - 2013-06-20 20:37:15 UTC
MickeyFinn wrote:
Asking and or accepting a 1v1 is saying i want a fair fight.


This is where you lost your way.
You assume too much.

Primary Test Subject • SmackTalker Elite
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2013-06-20 22:38:45 UTC
MickeyFinn wrote:
Neuntausend wrote:
The point was not at all to make duels fair. It was to give people a "legit" and quick way to fight each other in high sec. Before the duel function was implemented, people dropped cans and stole from them to initiate a duel. It worked, but it was also just a workaround, and since CCP remade the whole empire aggression mechanics thingy anyway, they implemented a legit and straightforward way to initiate combat with another capsuleer. I am certain it was never intended to make eve a space-honourable esports game.



The goon said "legit" Like a goon knows what that is.. LOL Stop with all the eve is not fair. This is one part of eve and it needs to be fair.

You can say it all day that eve is unfair. But it dose not change that have a 1v1 system that lets other become involved in is still a broken part of the game.

They did alot of things right with this game. and they have done alot wrong. This one is wrong. Just concord people and move on. Easy fix.


The point of adding duels was not to create fair fights. Thats where you are falling down. CCP are VIKINGS they eat their guests! Do you know how many people have never returned from Fancest??? I dont either but I bet they could make an entire season of CSI out of it.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#35 - 2013-06-20 22:41:19 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Duels are only as honest as the people participating.


This. Duel with your Alliance mates, ex-corp members and friends if you want an honest 1vs1. The fact this system can be gamed makes it better, not worse.
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#36 - 2013-06-20 22:54:29 UTC
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Jimmy Morane
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#37 - 2013-06-20 22:59:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Jimmy Morane
I have never accepted a duel especially after I met a very experienced player in one encounter. Guy challenges me to a duel - he's in a Merlin, I'm in a Kestral. Hmmmm something fishy. So I declined it. Guy chats me and says Jimmy you made the right decision. I've got buddies just around the corner. I said yeah I thought something was up - so why are you running around challenging duels with backup? He said to see if any newbs are stupid enough to accept.

He turned out to be a really cool guy and talked to me for a long while giving me tips and such. But this leads to my question about dueling: If everyone in hisec wises up and doesn't accept a duel, and there are no duels, then what is the purpose for adding the dueling mechanic? I'm not asking for fair - I'm just wondering if everyone knows that a duel won't be a real duel but a slaughterfest, and no one engages in it, then it's worthless. Their can't be that many ignorant people left in hisec that don't know the lowdown of what a duel really entails.
Anti-social Tendencies
Society for Miner Education
#38 - 2013-06-20 23:04:49 UTC
The OP makes a valid point and deserves more than the trolling he has gotten. Not sure I agree with him, but he doesn't deserve to be trashed.

"Patience: n, a minor form of despair, disguised as a virtue." - AMBROSE PIERCE
GreenSeed
#39 - 2013-06-20 23:21:26 UTC
if you want a fair duel look for some of the other 99% of eve players that don't stand around at the jita/dodi/amarr undock...
Krazynikomo
Perkone
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-06-20 23:29:11 UTC
The moment you log into EVE, is the moment you say you don't want a fair fight.

Get used to it.
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