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Eve MultiBoxing allowed : An nice game for cheaters ?

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GreenSeed
#61 - 2013-06-20 22:51:51 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
Miilla wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
Miilla wrote:


Want me to write it in first order predicate logic? Because it WILL evaluate to True, its a Tautology.


Using vague stupid technical terms doesn't make your argument stronger.

“If you can't explain it to a six year old, you don't understand it yourself.”

― Albert Einstein


It is not 1) vague, in fact it will be very well defined, mathematically, a branch known as Discrete mathematics, and 2) it is not an argument , it is a provable statement, you can even do the math yourself, it is first year first semester bachelors math.


The fact of the matter is, this bullshit makes no difference. Multiboxers don't affect you in any way, and CCP have declared them to be not cheating. You have literally no reason to argue against their use.


well, he does have a reason, he could feel wronged, he could feel offended, he could just be plain angry for every wrong reason imaginable. hes free to feel that way, and free to do something about it, no need to ***** to CCP about it.


after all hes from a corp named after "hulkgeddon", one would assume he know about that sort of thing. Roll
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#62 - 2013-06-20 22:52:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Miilla
matt areo wrote:
there is a very large multiboxer in my system (100+ accounts) and he mines out ice belts in minutes. so a few corp mates and i reported some of his bots and him. ccp replied saying they wont ban him because he is buy them thousands of dollars worth a year, so he is still there


So close your accounts and let him make up the dollar difference for the loss :)

Or better yet, gank him to high heaven, non stop, in fact make him work for it with his boxing software.

Dissruptive gameplay is the Eve way.
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#63 - 2013-06-20 22:53:03 UTC
Miilla wrote:
GreenSeed wrote:
whats false is your idea that broadcasting mirrors the action on every client after it "records" in on the first client for fucks sake, i feel like im talking to a thirteen year old.

if that were the way multiboxing worked you could have a case, but it isn't, broadcasting works on the same way wiring one light switch to 50 lights would work.



I can see you are really passionate about defending your use of software aids to make you play ummm better than others.

So is that an admission that they are better than you and thus the need for software aids looks like it to me.

Carry on then.


Yes, I am very passionate about being able to use a mouse and keyboard to play my spaceship games. The use of automating drivers that allow the movement of the mouse to translate as cursor movement is advantageous to my game style.

Love the fact you ignored the point. You have nothing. No reason to stop people from using it. They don't affect your gameplay, nor do they get any advantage over you.. Without a reason for wanting them to stop (aside from some stupid urge to stop people using automating software, even though you are using them whether you like it or not), there is no reason to even listen to your ranting..

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Setaceous
Nexus Prima
#64 - 2013-06-20 22:53:56 UTC
Arduemont wrote:

The fact of the matter is, this bullshit makes no difference. Multiboxers don't affect you in any way, and CCP have declared them to be not cheating. You have literally no reason to argue against their use.

Highly educated people tend to argue over everything. They also make the mistake of thinking that a high priced education and a piece of fancy paper actually makes them smart enough to argue about everything. I can't remember who said this, but it fits the situation quite well - being correct doesn't necessarily make you right.
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#65 - 2013-06-20 22:54:10 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
Miilla wrote:
GreenSeed wrote:
whats false is your idea that broadcasting mirrors the action on every client after it "records" in on the first client for fucks sake, i feel like im talking to a thirteen year old.

if that were the way multiboxing worked you could have a case, but it isn't, broadcasting works on the same way wiring one light switch to 50 lights would work.



I can see you are really passionate about defending your use of software aids to make you play ummm better than others.

So is that an admission that they are better than you and thus the need for software aids looks like it to me.

Carry on then.


Yes, I am very passionate about being able to use a mouse and keyboard to play my spaceship games. The use of automating drivers that allow the movement of the mouse to translate as cursor movement is advantageous to my game style.

Love the fact you ignored the point. You have nothing. No reason to stop people from using it. They don't affect your gameplay, nor do they get any advantage over you.. Without a reason for wanting them to stop (aside from some stupid urge to stop people using automating software, even though you are using them whether you like it or not), there is no reason to even listen to your ranting..


Now we are making progress, you are now using the term automated, which is what it is.
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#66 - 2013-06-20 22:54:46 UTC
Miilla wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
Miilla wrote:
GreenSeed wrote:
whats false is your idea that broadcasting mirrors the action on every client after it "records" in on the first client for fucks sake, i feel like im talking to a thirteen year old.

if that were the way multiboxing worked you could have a case, but it isn't, broadcasting works on the same way wiring one light switch to 50 lights would work.



I can see you are really passionate about defending your use of software aids to make you play ummm better than others.

So is that an admission that they are better than you and thus the need for software aids looks like it to me.

Carry on then.


Yes, I am very passionate about being able to use a mouse and keyboard to play my spaceship games. The use of automating drivers that allow the movement of the mouse to translate as cursor movement is advantageous to my game style.

Love the fact you ignored the point. You have nothing. No reason to stop people from using it. They don't affect your gameplay, nor do they get any advantage over you.. Without a reason for wanting them to stop (aside from some stupid urge to stop people using automating software, even though you are using them whether you like it or not), there is no reason to even listen to your ranting..


Now we are making progress, you are now using the term automated, which is what it is.


Yes it is, just like using a mouse.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#67 - 2013-06-20 22:54:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Miilla
Setaceous wrote:
Arduemont wrote:

The fact of the matter is, this bullshit makes no difference. Multiboxers don't affect you in any way, and CCP have declared them to be not cheating. You have literally no reason to argue against their use.

Highly educated people tend to argue over everything. They also make the mistake of thinking that a high priced education and a piece of fancy paper actually makes them smart enough to argue about everything. I can't remember who said this, but it fits the situation quite well - being correct doesn't necessarily make you right.



Actually its free, in fact i get paid by the government up to masters level, then paid by the industry for phD and post post doctorates.
Gotta love Socialist Europe eh yanky or britty.


Cant argue with Math, ask any mathmatician.
GreenSeed
#68 - 2013-06-20 22:54:53 UTC
Miilla wrote:
matt areo wrote:
there is a very large multiboxer in my system (100+ accounts) and he mines out ice belts in minutes. so a few corp mates and i reported some of his bots and him. ccp replied saying they wont ban him because he is buy them thousands of dollars worth a year, so he is still there


So close your accounts and let him make up the dollar difference for the loss :)

Or better yet, gank him to high heaven, non stop, in fact make him work for it with his boxing software.

Dissruptive gameplay is the Eve way.


do you have dissociative identity disorder?
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#69 - 2013-06-20 22:56:03 UTC
Paladin Amarr wrote:
Anderson Footman wrote:
Paladin Amarr wrote:
When this game will favore the honest players ???


Never. I will stop playing the day it does.


I think you miss the point. I am talking about people using external softwares to get advantage aside the game mechanics.


Like mouse drivers?

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#70 - 2013-06-20 22:56:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Miilla
Arduemont wrote:
Paladin Amarr wrote:
Anderson Footman wrote:
Paladin Amarr wrote:
When this game will favore the honest players ???


Never. I will stop playing the day it does.


I think you miss the point. I am talking about people using external softwares to get advantage aside the game mechanics.


Like mouse drivers?



Yes thats external to Eve client but it broadcasts inputs to other drivers which also perform the input on behalf of the user, so automating repetition to the value of ummm 1 instead of N inputs which otherwise would have to be performed, so advantage is gained in a non human method,
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#71 - 2013-06-20 22:59:58 UTC
Miilla wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
Paladin Amarr wrote:
Anderson Footman wrote:
Paladin Amarr wrote:
When this game will favore the honest players ???


Never. I will stop playing the day it does.


I think you miss the point. I am talking about people using external softwares to get advantage aside the game mechanics.


Like mouse drivers?



Yes thats external to Eve client but it broadcasts inputs to other drivers which also perform the input on behalf of the user, so automating repetition to the value of ummm 1 instead of N inputs which otherwise would have to be performed, so advantage is gained in a non human method,


Still makes no difference. The fact of the matters is, there is no reason to stop multi-boxing. You still haven't provided one. We're going to keep going around in circles here.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Setaceous
Nexus Prima
#72 - 2013-06-20 23:01:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Setaceous
Miilla wrote:
Setaceous wrote:
Arduemont wrote:

The fact of the matter is, this bullshit makes no difference. Multiboxers don't affect you in any way, and CCP have declared them to be not cheating. You have literally no reason to argue against their use.

Highly educated people tend to argue over everything. They also make the mistake of thinking that a high priced education and a piece of fancy paper actually makes them smart enough to argue about everything. I can't remember who said this, but it fits the situation quite well - being correct doesn't necessarily make you right.



Actually its free, in fact i get paid by the government up to masters level, then paid by the industry for phD and post post doctorates.

Cant argue with Math, ask any mathmatician.

Still, the majority of my post makes sense - you may be factually correct but CCP says you're not right. I think you just like to argue :P

Arduemont wrote:


Still makes no difference. The fact of the matters is, there is no reason to stop multi-boxing. You still haven't provided one. We're going to keep going around in circles here.


Welcome to any forum argument ever. Round and round in circles, you may as well have circus music playing in the background while you type.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#73 - 2013-06-20 23:06:38 UTC
I don't get the hate. Multiboxers let their logi cap out in PVP and such, they are hilarious. Roll
Cpt Arareb
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#74 - 2013-06-20 23:06:53 UTC
isboxer that alow you to control 10 ships simultaneosly, is a cheat and gamebreaking imoStraight
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#75 - 2013-06-20 23:08:53 UTC
Cpt Arareb wrote:
isboxer that alow you to control 10 ships simultaneosly, is a cheat and gamebreaking imoStraight


Got any logic to go with that opinion?

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Ellen Thrace
State War Academy
Caldari State
#76 - 2013-06-21 01:00:49 UTC
A small list of the arguments for and against ISboxer:


"ISboxer bring more money to CCP"
No, ISboxers can make so much ingame ISK that they dont need to use real cash to pay their accounts.

"But someone spend real cash on the PLEX they buy with ingame ISK"
Yes, but usually some other player, normally is not the ISboxer, he doesnt need to.

"But it doesnt interfere with your gameplay"
Yes, it interferes with my gameplay when it uses synchronized fire, it can be much more effective than a human alpha strike and win PvP battles with the same numbers, even in Incursions they are using it to win against any fleet.
Plus it completely ruins the Immersion of the game, soon EVE Online will look like an Asian mmo where you rarely see a real player.

"But only a small % of players use ISboxer"
For now maybe, but if this is not dealt with soon, it will spread fast due to the power of this program. Just imagine the distortion of numbers in 0.0 if this is used on a large scale.

"But players have the right to play the game the way they want"
True, but they already have the option to use multiclient, they dont need some program that give them an unfair advantage against the players that dont use external programs.


But in my opinion what is more insidious is that it is against the spirit of Group Play.

We dont want to go back to Single Player Games pre-Internet where you played alone on your PC and used cheat hacks to win the harder games.

“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
GreenSeed
#77 - 2013-06-21 01:07:45 UTC
stop using alts to bump your thread. and stop copy pasting, you already used that as an OP.

you are about to cross the line between troll and banned troll.
Invisusira
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#78 - 2013-06-21 01:11:54 UTC
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Multi-boxing is not a big deal, in this game or any other. You've got one person trying to control two characters instead of two, which is much easier to break and twice as expensive for them to mess up. Would you be crying it it were two people that ganked you? Sure, it feels overpowered if you happen to be caught alone, but EVE is pretty much "life isn't fair, get over it: the game."

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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#79 - 2013-06-21 03:30:21 UTC
Setaceous wrote:
being correct doesn't necessarily make you right.


...A pearl of wisdom for our young CSM. Intelligence must be tempered with wisdom...

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#80 - 2013-06-21 03:32:36 UTC
GreenSeed wrote:
stop using alts to bump your thread.


...Says the recent alt, with over 500 votes already...

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell