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Capital Escalation Wormhole Loki Fit
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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-06-20 12:50:41 UTC
[Loki, capescalation]
Damage Control II
Corpus A-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Corpus A-Type Armor Explosive Hardener
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane

Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization

211k ehp with links, not overly expensive at around 1.2bil.

Anything that I need to change?

Art of Explosions
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#2 - 2013-06-20 13:17:17 UTC
Looks good, I'm not experienced at all in running C5/6 capital escalation but if my memory serves me, in Jack's classic C5/6 capital escalation guide (look for it I think it's called capital escalation running like a boss) he used double 1600mm plates and fully passive resists which I assume was in case your cap got alphaed by sleepers when your carrier's energy xfer was mid cycle and your hardener turns off, seems like a pretty niche situation but I'm assuming that's why he ran passive resists or else I don't see a reason not to run active hardeners. I'm sure he's run a ton of sites so he must know what he's talking about.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-06-20 13:19:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Tsukino Stareine
interesting, going to work on a v2 then.

[Loki, capescalation2]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Corelum B-Type Energized Kinetic Membrane
Corelum B-Type Energized Explosive Membrane

Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Republic Fleet Target Painter
Republic Fleet Target Painter

Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
Loki Engineering - Supplemental Coolant Injector
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization

About same price (maybe lil cheaper) fully passive and 10k more ehp but requires cheap 3% pg implant

I don't like the overheat sub though, seems like a waste on pve boat.

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stup idity
#4 - 2013-06-20 13:57:33 UTC
Fit will do fine. It will still do fine if you downgrade some of those items:
- tech 2 energized nanos
- tech 1 rigs
- and c-type hardener

Will still give you 140k+ ehp.

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-06-20 14:01:54 UTC
stup idity wrote:
Fit will do fine. It will still do fine if you downgrade some of those items:
- tech 2 energized nanos
- tech 1 rigs
- and c-type hardener

Will still give you 140k+ ehp.


is 140k enough to survive c5/6 escalations?

Art of Explosions
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#6 - 2013-06-20 14:06:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
If you want to dump money, better go with specific a-type membranes instead of hardeners. Nothing more annoying than a unlucky neutcycle shutting off your hardeners while you're over there managing your dreads.

As long as you're receiving reps, a loki doesn't really die to the sleepers alone. If it does die, you should orbit your carrier next time.
stup idity
#7 - 2013-06-20 14:51:00 UTC
Lloyd Roses
As long as you're receiving reps, a loki doesn't really die to the sleepers alone. If it does die, you should orbit your carrier next time.[/quote wrote:


This. If you die, blame your carrier pilot.

[quote=Lloyd Roses
If you want to dump money, better go with specific a-type membranes instead of hardeners. Nothing more annoying than a unlucky neutcycle shutting off your hardeners while you're over there managing your dreads.


Also a good point.

I assume you will start escalating one cap at time, so you shouldn't run into any problems. Some people are even using just recons instead of Lokis for that.

If you throw in all caps at once (except the second carrier), the more pimped, passive tank Loki will definitely be the right choice (120k+ ehp is still enough here, triage 2 carrier s more important). You probably want to bring a second and maybe third Loki, though, because neuting will be a much greater issue.

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Alexander McKeon
Perkone
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-06-20 19:13:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexander McKeon
One suggestion I'd have is to ditch your guns for a full rack of Medium Nosferatu; if you put your leeches on the carrier, you can usually keep your webs running even under full neut pressure, despite being practically cap-dry. The second carrier can clean up non-escalation sleepers by assigning drones to the Loki's until the E-war lands on field.
chris elliot
Treasury Department
Plug N Play
#9 - 2013-06-20 21:52:23 UTC  |  Edited by: chris elliot
Never not go full passive on an escalation loki.

I would have to vote against the nos though. If you carrier suddenly has an oops moment or you or the carrier start to dc, you can usually store the loki in the carrier and chill in your pod for a bit until life returns to normal, at which point you just reboard your loki and continue with the site. If you are running a nos you will have to wait out your weapons timer in order to store the ship. In the case of a dc you may not have the luxury of time.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-06-21 02:47:51 UTC
some really good info, thanks for the replies so far.

The second fit would be more appropriate then? How much armour hp can i get away with realistically? That fit has 28k armour hp with lowest resist at 80%.

I can make it a lot cheaper by using t1 trimarks and this will drop armour hp down to 24.6k

Moving everything else down to t2 makes my lowest resist 75.9% on explosive.

Art of Explosions
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-06-21 03:57:11 UTC
looks fine, use passive hardeners though.
i do still use a dual plate one but the extra eanm is fine too.
tbh it's better if youre not triaging, im just too lazy to refit it since it doesnt make a functional difference.

RF painters are pretty cheap.

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