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Dev Blog: New system requirements for EVE

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Xintri Ra'Virr
Yamaguchi-Gumi
#161 - 2013-06-20 12:42:03 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
Sarmatiko wrote:
We need more radical changes.
Lose Windows XP support, for great justice! Roll
Windows XP is still used by a significant portion of EVE players and I would expect it to possibly take up to two years still for them all to upgrade based on current trends.


So... not hope for DX11 in next 2 years? :/
Xintri Ra'Virr
Yamaguchi-Gumi
#162 - 2013-06-20 12:45:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Xintri Ra'Virr
Molly Molou wrote:
With a GTX 560 that has 4 gig vram. Every other game is fine. But Eve, I need to lower resolution and play at low graphics settings, shadows turned off, no aa and so on. Still get 10fps when I come up against Eve's incredibly well coded green gas clouds. Frame rate halves when opening character sheet. Only get 30fps when warping about.

The problem is not my hardware. All other games are fine. It is Eve's crappy programming. I should not have to spend a thousand dollars on a video card because CCCP's incompetent devs can't code.

In before troll
In before I love Eve so this isn't true
In before people fishing for complements for their video card



You are right It's not your hardware it's your GPU drivers. Update them. Then check BIOS settings.

I have same GPU and running Eve at full HD with NVidia 3D Vision enabled. FPS is always >60, even when I trippleboxing.
Sarmatiko
#163 - 2013-06-20 13:03:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Sarmatiko
CCP Zorba wrote:
DeBingJos wrote:
How about fixing them instead of removing? What?Roll

It would take a single programmer about 1 afternoon to remove them.
It would take a single programmer probably more than 6 months to fix them (replacement features like this generally have to be somewhat 'backwards compatible' in terms of content, which vastly increases the amount of work required).

Players have legitimately complained about cloud issue for more than a year.

Results of very fast search:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=446563#post446563 (December 2011)
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=181882 (December 2012)
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=176413 (CCP response in December about false fix, then only after six months about "we working at it" )

I'm sorry, but if it takes single programmer "about 1 afternoon to delete all clouds" or "6 months to fix them" then why we spoken with the wall for 1.5 years desperately trying to get at least any working fix? Evil
Dr Vitoc
The Huskarl's
#164 - 2013-06-20 15:29:24 UTC
With the massive requirements for video cards and the amount of lag you get in massive battles.

Can we have a mode that turns off all graphics and not just low settings. dots in space is good enough. Fighting in space in battles doesn't need graphics.

i don't care looking at the ships the overview tells me everything.
Gen Fesslenski
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#165 - 2013-06-20 15:30:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Gen Fesslenski
Rees Noturana wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Rees Noturana wrote:
I don't study video cards, especially since I'm currently still using a Mac Pro for my EVE machine and have very limited options for changing it. I wish there was some sort of way of specifying cards other than by product names.

I are confused.

Apple menu
About this Mac
More info

That gives the product names. But it does not say anything about shader models and such. CCP, how can we determine all that on our machines?


NVIDIA GeForce GT 120

The card is fine except for the Wine wrapper around EVE. Unfortunately, my computer budget went into my son's new gaming rig. EVE sure does run sweet on that thing...


It's a one off card just for Mac and incredibly weak, though it's slightly better than the 7300Gt they used to use for the Mac Pro.

Macs do not support most graphics cards. Your next best bet is a 5770, look for the Mac branded ones.
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#166 - 2013-06-20 16:57:22 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Jeez not again Cry last system upgrade I was out of EVE for 6 months Ugh
While I may be space rich I am definitely RL poor & won't be able to upgrade my compuer this summer!

Will my Pentium 4 CPU 3.00 GH work with an Asus 4350 video card like it currently does run EVE?


OK after panic'ing I read this:
CCP Explorer wrote:
I would like emphasize that this change now in minimum and recommended system requirements will not exclude any current hardware compared to the previous system requirements. In particular we are not making any changes on 10 July to the EVE Client that will prevent you from using your current computers.

With the new system requirements we are creating a baseline for the future. You can still try and run the game with unsupported hardware, we just can't guarantee a good experience. Using supported hardware we will be able to detail what you should be able to expect.


So I can breathe a sigh of relief...
So even if I'm under requirements I will be able to 'somewhat' run without the client giving me the error box like what happened with Incarna.
I'll hold you to the above quote CCP Explorer


Pentium 4... are you trolling dude?

You can buy a old machine that runs EvE Online in e-bay for less then 50 dollars.

The Tears Must Flow

Nak hak
#167 - 2013-06-20 17:10:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Nak hak
Vaju Enki wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Jeez not again Cry last system upgrade I was out of EVE for 6 months Ugh
While I may be space rich I am definitely RL poor & won't be able to upgrade my compuer this summer!

Will my Pentium 4 CPU 3.00 GH work with an Asus 4350 video card like it currently does run EVE?


OK after panic'ing I read this:
CCP Explorer wrote:
I would like emphasize that this change now in minimum and recommended system requirements will not exclude any current hardware compared to the previous system requirements. In particular we are not making any changes on 10 July to the EVE Client that will prevent you from using your current computers.

With the new system requirements we are creating a baseline for the future. You can still try and run the game with unsupported hardware, we just can't guarantee a good experience. Using supported hardware we will be able to detail what you should be able to expect.


So I can breathe a sigh of relief...
So even if I'm under requirements I will be able to 'somewhat' run without the client giving me the error box like what happened with Incarna.
I'll hold you to the above quote CCP Explorer


Pentium 4... are you trolling dude?

You can buy a old machine that runs EvE Online in e-bay for less then 50 dollars.


Great! Please post that link to that $49 computer.

EDIT: Forget it. Here is the link. eBay cheap computers.

It's about freedom.

Best Regards, Nak hak

Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#168 - 2013-06-20 17:14:13 UTC
Nak hak wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Jeez not again Cry last system upgrade I was out of EVE for 6 months Ugh
While I may be space rich I am definitely RL poor & won't be able to upgrade my compuer this summer!

Will my Pentium 4 CPU 3.00 GH work with an Asus 4350 video card like it currently does run EVE?


OK after panic'ing I read this:
CCP Explorer wrote:
I would like emphasize that this change now in minimum and recommended system requirements will not exclude any current hardware compared to the previous system requirements. In particular we are not making any changes on 10 July to the EVE Client that will prevent you from using your current computers.

With the new system requirements we are creating a baseline for the future. You can still try and run the game with unsupported hardware, we just can't guarantee a good experience. Using supported hardware we will be able to detail what you should be able to expect.


So I can breathe a sigh of relief...
So even if I'm under requirements I will be able to 'somewhat' run without the client giving me the error box like what happened with Incarna.
I'll hold you to the above quote CCP Explorer


Pentium 4... are you trolling dude?

You can buy a old machine that runs EvE Online in e-bay for less then 50 dollars.


Great! Please post that link to that $49 computer.



Are you joking or just dumb?

The Tears Must Flow

Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#169 - 2013-06-20 17:26:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Radius Prime wrote:
Rees Noturana wrote:
I don't study video cards, especially since I'm currently still using a Mac Pro for my EVE machine and have very limited options for changing it. I wish there was some sort of way of specifying cards other than by product names.

I are confused.


Do NOT buy Apple. Ripped off every time. Why would you want to pay double for old hardware?

That's bad advice. In my experience apple computers are priced quite nicely if you buy soon after a refresh and actually want/need most of their features.

If you don't need most of the "premium" features (and would not consider buying something equivalent from the business or premium consumer line of a competitor, opting for regular consumer models instead) Apple computers are probably overpriced compared to your needs. If you buy towards the end of a refresh cycle they probably are objectively overpriced and you should buy something else or hold out some longer.

I wouldn't disagree with you if you told me that 90% of Apple customers have no need for a decent sound system in a laptop, for a Thunderbolt connector (or Firewire), for a "retina" display, ... and are therefore overpaying.

But imo you can't really say that they you will get ripped off "every time". For some customers at some points in time Apple products tend to be priced very competitively.

.

Nak hak
#170 - 2013-06-20 17:39:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Nak hak
Vaju Enki wrote:
Nak hak wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Jeez not again Cry last system upgrade I was out of EVE for 6 months Ugh
While I may be space rich I am definitely RL poor & won't be able to upgrade my compuer this summer!

Will my Pentium 4 CPU 3.00 GH work with an Asus 4350 video card like it currently does run EVE?


OK after panic'ing I read this:
CCP Explorer wrote:
I would like emphasize that this change now in minimum and recommended system requirements will not exclude any current hardware compared to the previous system requirements. In particular we are not making any changes on 10 July to the EVE Client that will prevent you from using your current computers.

With the new system requirements we are creating a baseline for the future. You can still try and run the game with unsupported hardware, we just can't guarantee a good experience. Using supported hardware we will be able to detail what you should be able to expect.


So I can breathe a sigh of relief...
So even if I'm under requirements I will be able to 'somewhat' run without the client giving me the error box like what happened with Incarna.
I'll hold you to the above quote CCP Explorer


Pentium 4... are you trolling dude?

You can buy a old machine that runs EvE Online in e-bay for less then 50 dollars.


Great! Please post that link to that $49 computer.



Are you joking or just dumb?


Check it out. Editing into my first posing in your comments. Okay, here it is: Cheap eBay computers. So, if anyone in EVE community is looking for a cheap computer for any rest check it out.

Honestly giving less than 30 days notice on a requirement change comes across as unprofessional. For anyone but a small game developer.

It's about freedom.

Best Regards, Nak hak

RadgeWorks
Red Star Trading Co
#171 - 2013-06-20 17:41:38 UTC
Will it still work with a 16k Ram expansion on my ZX81?
Mikoyan Gureyvich
Trash Pandas of Kaunokka
#172 - 2013-06-20 18:29:12 UTC
With the upcoming version of the Mac operating system (10.9) finally fully implementing the OpenGL 4.1 spec, will the Eve client be able to immediately take advantage of that or is it something that will require some work on CCP's side to fully exploit?
Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#173 - 2013-06-20 18:50:01 UTC
I guess its still nice to think that even with this new baseline clouds will still be an issue, everything will still too dark to see and no one will actually look at any of the graphics anyways since fleet maneuvers need you zoomed out.

+1 for eve wireframe/bracket icons.

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.

Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#174 - 2013-06-20 19:26:31 UTC
Mikoyan Gureyvich wrote:
With the upcoming version of the Mac operating system (10.9) finally fully implementing the OpenGL 4.1 spec, will the Eve client be able to immediately take advantage of that or is it something that will require some work on CCP's side to fully exploit?


More likely, something in the WINE layer between the client and Mac OS X, because EVE only knows about DirectX.

The Cedega WINE wrapper that CCP uses is supposed to be optimized for games, so presumably they'll update the DirectX->OpenGL translation layer when 10.9 comes out.

Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.

I voted in CSM X!

Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#175 - 2013-06-20 20:07:10 UTC
EVE runs totally flawless with two clients on my hardware that was bought about two years ago and even at the time was not state-of-the-art; I always buy slightly outdated hardware because it's so much cheaper.

That means, two times EVE runs perfectly on very old hardware; as a PC gamer, you have to update your hardware at least every two years. Don't like it? Buy a console.

.

JediRobin
Globaltech Industries
#176 - 2013-06-21 04:16:05 UTC  |  Edited by: JediRobin
Hi

I was running eve on windows 7 Ultimate 64bit with the following computer system

Intel i7 950 @3.07GHz
12Gb Ram
DFI X58 T3H6 Mainboard
NVidia GTX 285
2 x Samsung 22" lcd

Eve ran great with graphics set high and running 2 clients.
Running 4 clients with graphics set low ran good

Now I have done a reformat and installed Windows 8 Pro 64bit
with an Intel ssd
1 client with graphics high is laggy
1 client with graphics low is laggy
2 clients with graphics low is laggy
4 clients the same

So maybe its windows 8 or the ssd
But my other games run ok

Regards

JEDI
Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
No Response
#177 - 2013-06-21 04:29:23 UTC
This thread has produced nowhere near its expected quotum of forum tears.

I require more.

http://www.wormholes.info

TravelBuoy
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#178 - 2013-06-21 05:01:15 UTC
Xintri Ra'Virr wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
Sarmatiko wrote:
We need more radical changes.
Lose Windows XP support, for great justice! Roll
Windows XP is still used by a significant portion of EVE players and I would expect it to possibly take up to two years still for them all to upgrade based on current trends.


So... not hope for DX11 in next 2 years? :/


But you can hope for huge lag with an ultramodern PC and 2FPS in fleetfight with 2x GeForce GTX Titan SLI.
Nur AlHuda
Callide Vulpis
#179 - 2013-06-21 11:31:51 UTC
Just a small note. Many people play eve from abroad either as students, military personal, people who travel long distances for their work and use laptops.

If you exclude support for low end tech you discourage lot of people to play. In fact some corps could be paralyzed completly. EVE is very specifi game that attracts very small ammount of people so doing changes that can endanger those numbers is not good.

As example i give black prophecy that was ft2p. After removing support they lost more then half of the player base and game died several months after. As game developer never ever prevent people to play your game by your own actions. Its very slippery path.
Pau Tia
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#180 - 2013-06-21 14:57:21 UTC
Dear CCP

It is with sad face that I now have canceled my two active accounts that I was paying with my hard earned Pounds. As I am not the most wealthy of people in the world and with a kid on the way, money is tight.

Simply upgrading my system is something I can not justify. I play for fun and the people, but if that means my game experience will be reduced than I have to stop playing.

My accounts will end on the 2 July and I would like to thank you for the last 2 1/2 years of fun.

Thanks and goodbye.

Pau Tia