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Eve MultiBoxing allowed : An nice game for cheaters ?

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Paladin Amarr
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-06-20 16:43:03 UTC
I would like to say something about what I think its the worse problem in eve, cheaters.

I know that at last CCP starts to do something agains cheaters, banishing bots and warp to 0. But there is still some job to do if they want to make this game free of cheaters, and they dont need to do much, just be reasonable with the rules.

What I think is an cheat, an software that interact with the game reading memory information, seting memory variables, sending keys to game interruptions ( macros ), etc. All to get advantage for who use it in detriment for who play normally.

The worse thing here is that some cheater programs are allowed buy the currently rules of ccp like softwares multiboxing ex: ISBoxer. As it is allowed peaple use it a lot making the life of honest players miserable. And the argument to allow such software and that its not cheat just because the player "needs to interact with the game" ?

So if I use an cheat just to get 1B per second mining, get my ship imortal, its allowed because I am playing the game and interacting ? This is not argument, ccp needs to revew it.

Well, my opinion :

What is Cheating : softwares that interact with the game directly to get advantage, no exception.

What is not cheating: softewares that interact with the game indirectly using apis made for it, ex: Web sites and softwares that use information extracted from eve api. Just it.

I hear from peaple that systems with lots of asteroid belts cant be explored anymore, just because multi-boxers players came everyday with 50 retrievers and mine all asteroids in an few minutes. Players that create trial accounts and using cheat get it registred buying Plex with out any enforce. Pvp players that using this softwares can camp in an gate with 50 tornados and kill everyone. And much more.

When this game will favore the honest players ???
Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-06-20 16:47:05 UTC
Paladin Amarr wrote:
I would like to say something about what I think its the worse problem in eve, cheaters.

I know that at last CCP starts to do something agains cheaters, banishing bots and warp to 0. But there is still some job to do if they want to make this game free of cheaters, and they dont need to do much, just be reasonable with the rules.

What I think is an cheat, an software that interact with the game reading memory information, seting memory variables, sending keys to game interruptions ( macros ), etc. All to get advantage for who use it in detriment for who play normally.

The worse thing here is that some cheater programs are allowed buy the currently rules of ccp like softwares multiboxing ex: ISBoxer. As it is allowed peaple use it a lot making the life of honest players miserable. And the argument to allow such software and that its not cheat just because the player "needs to interact with the game" ?

So if I use an cheat just to get 1B per second mining, get my ship imortal, its allowed because I am playing the game and interacting ? This is not argument, ccp needs to revew it.

Well, my opinion :

What is Cheating : softwares that interact with the game directly to get advantage, no exception.

What is not cheating: softewares that interact with the game indirectly using apis made for it, ex: Web sites and softwares that use information extracted from eve api. Just it.

I hear from peaple that systems with lots of asteroid belts cant be explored anymore, just because multi-boxers players came everyday with 50 retrievers and mine all asteroids in an few minutes. Players that create trial accounts and using cheat get it registred buying Plex with out any enforce. Pvp players that using this softwares can camp in an gate with 50 tornados and kill everyone. And much more.

When this game will favore the honest players ???


If you have knowledge of this "cheat", please share it with me.

I'm neutral on ISboxer. I'd probably lean towards it not being allowed, but it really doesn't affect me so w/e.

I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.

Jimmy Morane
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-06-20 16:47:43 UTC
If it is allowed then how is it cheating? Have you discovered something that ccp doesn't know about?
Anderson Footman
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-06-20 16:48:02 UTC
Paladin Amarr wrote:
When this game will favore the honest players ???


Never. I will stop playing the day it does.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#5 - 2013-06-20 16:50:05 UTC
Jimmy Morane wrote:
Have you discovered something that ccp doesn't know about?


The level of hurt in his butt because he's not making 1B per second mining like the pro elite ISBoxers?
Transmaritanus
Exergy.
#6 - 2013-06-20 16:56:29 UTC
The software isn't breaking the game or altering the code, or pulling ISK out of thin air, it's letting you multibox more efficiently.

Don't be mad you can't focus on more than one thing at a time. It takes intelligence.
Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#7 - 2013-06-20 17:01:25 UTC
Who cares?

I know I don't. I think I ran into one multi box horde in my 2 years of playing.

[u]Can't wait untill when Eve online is Freemium.[/u] WiS only 10$, SP booster for one month 15$, DPS Boost 2$, EHP Boost 2$ Real money trading hub! Cosmeitic ship skins 15$ --> If you don't [u]pay **[/u]for a product, you ARE the [u]**product[/u].

Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-06-20 17:08:11 UTC
The butthurt is strong in this one.

Apparently everything he can't/didn't do is "cheating". Please, tell me more.

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#9 - 2013-06-20 17:30:42 UTC
Multi-boxing is killing eve....








Thread#43423460978

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Jason Xado
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-06-20 17:36:43 UTC
Multiboxing is valid gameplay.

I would also highly suggest you become more familiar with the functionality of ISBoxer.
Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#11 - 2013-06-20 17:37:27 UTC
Can I petition OP's name as offensive? He's bringing shame to the Paladins and all of Amarr, simply by existing.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#12 - 2013-06-20 17:52:27 UTC
Paladin Amarr wrote:
What I think is an cheat
…is utterly and completely irrelevant.

EVE does not allow cheating — in fact, it's often an insta-ban offence.

Quote:
When this game will favore the honest players ???
Never. Same as every other game. That's why cheating exists: because it bestows you with favours not available to the honest player. Of course, being honest means you're allowed to keep playing — that's something favourable, wouldn't you say?
Lara Dantreb
Reisende des Schwarzschild Grenze
#13 - 2013-06-20 17:52:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Lara Dantreb
parallelization of actions = multiboxing
serialization of actions = botting

if you mine 2 hours with 12 characters and ISBoxer, it's legit
if you mine 24 hours with 1 botting character, it's forbidden.

result : more or less same mining amount.

With ISBoxer you pay for 12 accounts
With a bot one account is enough

hence why multiboxing is allowed and why boting is not : BUCKS in CCP pocket

---   Buying T2 ship bpos since 2005  ---

GreenSeed
#14 - 2013-06-20 17:56:56 UTC
Paladin Amarr wrote:

What is Cheating : softwares that interact with the game directly to get advantage, no exception.

cool... so multiboxing software is still allowed. ty!

Paladin Amarr wrote:
What is not cheating: softewares that interact with the game indirectly using apis made for it, ex: Web sites and softwares that use information extracted from eve api. Just it.

oh god, you mean im going to be banned for using a keyboard?

Quote:

I hear from peaple that systems with lots of asteroid belts cant be explored anymore, just because multi-boxers players came everyday with 50 retrievers and mine all asteroids in an few minutes. Players that create trial accounts and using cheat get it registred buying Plex with out any enforce.

so? if its there for the taking it belongs to whoever has the most efficient way of extracting it.

get off my eve you commie

also, activating with plex IS one of the features of PLEX.

Paladin Amarr wrote:
Pvp players that using this softwares can camp in an gate with 50 tornados and kill everyone. And much more.

really? you mean somewhere in EVE a multiboxer is providing player generated content by fielding 5 billon isk in ships? that guy deserves a medal.

someone get on the batphone and get pl... oh wait they are busy.

well, get someone... anyone who wont misclick "jump" instead of "bridge" will do.


Paladin Amarr wrote:
When this game will favore the honest players ???

never has, never will.
Jafit McJafitson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-06-20 18:01:42 UTC
Paladin Amarr wrote:
needs to interact with the game


Oh god why would you ever want to subject people to that?

Paladin Amarr wrote:
What is Cheating : softwares that interact with the game directly to get advantage, no exception.


What is "the game"? Is it the client or the server? Because you're going to be mad when you find out about the EVE API.

You've no idea how much metagaming goes on in Eve. Your little mining problems are nothing... NOTHING!
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#16 - 2013-06-20 18:04:18 UTC
Oh look, it's this thread again.



There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

BadAssMcKill
Aliastra
#17 - 2013-06-20 18:07:17 UTC
You forgot to mention AFK cloaking OP
Doc Spectre
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-06-20 18:27:24 UTC
So many whining kiddies in this game go play something else. Oh and I didn't read all that crap as soon as I realized it was another whine....
Paladin Amarr
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2013-06-20 19:09:53 UTC
Transmaritanus wrote:
The software isn't breaking the game or altering the code, or pulling ISK out of thin air, it's letting you multibox more efficiently.

Don't be mad you can't focus on more than one thing at a time. It takes intelligence.


Inteligence that this players dont have, since they need software to do this for they.

Maybe this softwares are altering the code, but it changes game memory the same way any peek poke memory software like cheat engine, where you can make your ship invunerabel or worse. How can it is not cheat ?

And yes, if I buy this kind of software I will make 1B mining like this "pro" players some of you like to say, for me they are realy nobs.

And if you guys think this is not cheat, so why you dont ask CCP to allow any type of things like client code changes, bots, etc ? Probably already done it.
Paladin Amarr
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2013-06-20 19:11:59 UTC
Anderson Footman wrote:
Paladin Amarr wrote:
When this game will favore the honest players ???


Never. I will stop playing the day it does.


I think you miss the point. I am talking about people using external softwares to get advantage aside the game mechanics.
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