Ships & Modules

It is actually not that simple, if you look at the setup posted in the middle of the last page, discharge rigging is actually worse than fitting a 2. CCC, because the only time you would gain more runtime would be when using conflagration and even in this case it would be worse, given the implants that improve every cap mod in the fitting while doing nothing for the discharge rigs. 2 T1 dischargers would give you 5m 48s, 1 T2 and 1 T1 on the other hand 6m 18s while 2 T1 CCCs also would give you 6m 18s(what is better in any situation outside conflagration use).

CCC and cap mod stacking has a positive stacking effect, for every mod you add, every other cap mods gains technically more performance. A single CCC is worth 10.1 cap/s in this fitting, a 2. makes both worth 11.8 each and a 3. would increase this value to 13.8 per mod.

Discharge rigs on the other hand simply reduce the cap consummation of your guns and scale better with high damage ammos(multi, scorch and conflag) while being worse with lower cap using ammo like standard. Outside of very specific fittings, where you want to reduce slots spend on cap mods to a minimum and utilize high cap use ammo all the time, they are currently a bit to weak(they do work for a few fittings but are not that useful for most players yet).

If you like, you can take a look at my proposal liked in my bio, regarding the subject.

why would you fit beams on an apoc when scorch works so well with it?

This. With range bonus and tracking, coupled with Scorch, the new Apocalypse makes for an awesome mid-range boat. If I was to use Beams, I'd almost certainly pick an Abaddon over it.

You don't need a Heavy Cap Booster for missions. The basic build I'd be running with is:

[Abaddon, beam missions]
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Large Armor Repairer II

Large Micro Jump Drive
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Mega Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Standard L
Mega Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Standard L
Mega Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Standard L
Mega Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Standard L
Mega Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Standard L
Mega Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Standard L
Mega Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Standard L
Mega Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Standard L

Large Ancillary Current Router I
Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I

Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5

Note: you need factioned Heat Sinks to fit, just like CNR needs factioned BCUs. The fit is cap stable with guns and runs over 5 minutes with Repairer (which are my base values for every mission/ratting fit using armor tank).

From here on out, you can improve on the build. If you get CA-1 and CA-2 implants, you can drop the Ancillary Current Router. You can also replace the Large Repairer with a faction one, for instance Corpus C-Type, allowing you to replace two Cap Rechargers with Tracking Computers (which increase the ship's dps at MJD range). You can upgrade two Semiconductor rigs to T2s and add a third one, keeping cap at 5 minutes with repper running (guns remains stable throughout the upgrade). Since you're likely to have issues with range (MJD has the same jump distance as Abaddon's targetting range), you'll probably drop a hardener for Signal Amplifier - after all, if you're 100km from the targets, you won't need that tank.

Alternatively, you can keep the ancillary rig and throw a heavy cap booster into the fit, freeing the two mid slots for Tracking Computers. You'll bust the CPU, but you can fix that by factioning the hardeners (for instance, to True Sanshas). This keeps the fit well under 1 billion and still gives you a similar performance to the above variation. If you so choose, you can easily fit a 100mn MWD II into this as well, though the cap will obviously hate you for that :D

In short, there's plenty of options for a mission running Beam Abaddon, even if it might appear tight on grid. Of course, a navy ship will likely perform better, but then, that's what navy ships are for, right?

The abaddon is not a good beam ship(because it was designed that way), the reason for this is that you need to many slots to make it work(cap mods or dischargers don't change much, because of the extra grid you need) that a balanced puls setup can outperform it nearly all the time. It can use tachs to great effect with a mjd if you snipe and fit it up like a glass cannon, but if you want tank and gank at the same time, puls is basically always better.

[Abaddon, L4 pulsgank]
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Corpum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer

Gist A-Type 100MN Afterburner
Cap Recharger II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L

Large Energy Locus Coordinator II
Large Energy Discharge Elutriation II
Large Energy Discharge Elutriation I


Hobgoblin II x5
Curator II x2




It doesn't have so many, most people just use them to overtank L4 ships or can't be bothered with cap management. The slot difference between cap booster tank and and cap recharge tank is 2 slots on the abaddon, while you don't really need more tank, you run into heavy stacking penalty's for adding range or dps and you can't fit a T2 damage rig since you need a discharge rig for longer missions and you would throw away a rig slot if you do. Cap booster setups are surprisingly ineffective on amarr ships without the cap bonus, because the slot/cap balance and gains from the extra slots isn't that good like on some other hulls. Like the Raven for example, where extra painters help immensely for damage projection, not just to use all painters on one target but being able to spread them, since painter cycle is more than 3 times longer as CM rof and with the new speed, you have lots of issues to switch painter targets while your missiles are still on the way.

Faction Beam lasers are definitely the best option if you want to run with beams because of the cap and fitting, but a full rack of 8 will set you back around 300million which can be used to pimp your Pulse setup to have better performance. Part of the reason beam setups aren't used is the sheer awesomeness of Pulse lasers.

If you need more than 1 faction LAR 2 EANM 1 DC to tank a mission beforeyou kill most of its dps.. then you really are in need of relearning your trade.

How are you fitting them for PVP?