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Low sec space scares me

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Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-06-20 10:02:59 UTC
Ace Menda wrote:

It ain't that bad.


Yes it is.

If I actually replace the ship and all my equibment I'm looking at a balance of only about 2-3m ISK and it will take me forever to get back up to my previous balance.
Ace Menda
CDG Playgrounds
#22 - 2013-06-20 10:40:30 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Ace Menda wrote:

It ain't that bad.


Yes it is.

If I actually replace the ship and all my equibment I'm looking at a balance of only about 2-3m ISK and it will take me forever to get back up to my previous balance.


Hence the rule:

Dont fly what you cant afford to loose.

If you couldnt afford to loose that cruiser. You shouldnt have taken it into lowsec. Specially when you didnt use the correct precautions (you did use your D-scan etc I hope) and you were expecting people to play nice (which people never do in EVE anywhere). Low-sec isnt as bad....if you do use the mechanics at hand to keep you safe(ish).


But with your mindset. I'm not expecting you will end up playing for a very long time as you will find out that high sec is not safe either at one point.

Are you in need of some nice chat? Are you new and want some help? Look no further and join: Crazy Dutch Guy

Marmaduke Hatplate
Lone Wolf Union
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#23 - 2013-06-20 10:54:17 UTC
Tixam Quri wrote:
Marmaduke Hatplate wrote:
I'm not so much scared of losing (only one o, btw) my ship as irritated by having to go through the process of buying another one, then buying all the bits for it and fitting it out again. As has been pointed out, after a fairly short while, we noobs build up a enough of an ISK pool that the cost isn't as much of an issue. But getting a replica space-ready can take a while depending on how far you have to go to pick up all the modules etc.

Is there some way to do this quickly?


Buy fittings and ships in bulk. Never buy "one" of anything besides skill books if you can afford it.


This is a typical piece of advice from so'eone who's possibly not been a noob for a long time lol.

I currently have 11m ISK. I could afford to buy and fit 3 Ventures or Tristans for that, probably, but I'd rather stay in hisec and be safer (Note I said safER, not safe) than in losec. At present, earning ISK is a fairly slow process.

Woring until I could buy three or four copies of a ship each time I want to upgrade my vessel seems a bit overly pessimistic.

"Friends and fun...The only 2 really important things in EVE Online." - Crazy Dutch Guy

Marmaduke Hatplate
Lone Wolf Union
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#24 - 2013-06-20 11:02:48 UTC
Ace Menda wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Ace Menda wrote:

It ain't that bad.


Yes it is.

If I actually replace the ship and all my equibment I'm looking at a balance of only about 2-3m ISK and it will take me forever to get back up to my previous balance.


Hence the rule:

Dont fly what you cant afford to loose.

If you couldnt afford to loose that cruiser. You shouldnt have taken it into lowsec. Specially when you didnt use the correct precautions (you did use your D-scan etc I hope) and you were expecting people to play nice (which people never do in EVE anywhere). Low-sec isnt as bad....if you do use the mechanics at hand to keep you safe(ish).


But with your mindset. I'm not expecting you will end up playing for a very long time as you will find out that high sec is not safe either at one point.



This is the 'noob' forum. People like me are noobs. We dont know what the 'proper precautions' are, and generally, the advice we get from vets is 'do some research'. This thread is a classic example of missed points. The vets who 'haven't lost a ship in losec in ages' aren't flying Tristans, I'll wager.

The best advice for a noob about losec IMO is 'don't go there - skill up, build up ISK, build up your experience and practice in hisec first. Then fit a replica of your best ship, park it on a hisec station and only then venture forth into losec. But if you're posting in the new citizens forum, just don't go to losec'.

"Friends and fun...The only 2 really important things in EVE Online." - Crazy Dutch Guy

Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-06-20 11:09:19 UTC
plenty of veterans fly tristans

remember BIGGER IS NOT BETTER. Sometimes you need a smaller ship to do a certain job.

Noobs can definitely go to lowsec but you need to prepare yourself to:

A: lose your ship
B: how to avoid losing your ship
lollerwaffle
Perkone
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-06-20 11:14:38 UTC
Marmaduke Hatplate wrote:
Tixam Quri wrote:
Marmaduke Hatplate wrote:
I'm not so much scared of losing (only one o, btw) my ship as irritated by having to go through the process of buying another one, then buying all the bits for it and fitting it out again. As has been pointed out, after a fairly short while, we noobs build up a enough of an ISK pool that the cost isn't as much of an issue. But getting a replica space-ready can take a while depending on how far you have to go to pick up all the modules etc.

Is there some way to do this quickly?


Buy fittings and ships in bulk. Never buy "one" of anything besides skill books if you can afford it.


This is a typical piece of advice from so'eone who's possibly not been a noob for a long time lol.

I currently have 11m ISK. I could afford to buy and fit 3 Ventures or Tristans for that, probably, but I'd rather stay in hisec and be safer (Note I said safER, not safe) than in losec. At present, earning ISK is a fairly slow process.

Woring until I could buy three or four copies of a ship each time I want to upgrade my vessel seems a bit overly pessimistic.

Well, 11m will buy you 5-10 frigates with meta 3-4 fittings easily.

Ace Menda
CDG Playgrounds
#27 - 2013-06-20 11:36:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Menda
Marmaduke Hatplate wrote:
Ace Menda wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Ace Menda wrote:

It ain't that bad.


Yes it is.

If I actually replace the ship and all my equibment I'm looking at a balance of only about 2-3m ISK and it will take me forever to get back up to my previous balance.


Hence the rule:

Dont fly what you cant afford to loose.

If you couldnt afford to loose that cruiser. You shouldnt have taken it into lowsec. Specially when you didnt use the correct precautions (you did use your D-scan etc I hope) and you were expecting people to play nice (which people never do in EVE anywhere). Low-sec isnt as bad....if you do use the mechanics at hand to keep you safe(ish).


But with your mindset. I'm not expecting you will end up playing for a very long time as you will find out that high sec is not safe either at one point.



This is the 'noob' forum. People like me are noobs. We dont know what the 'proper precautions' are, and generally, the advice we get from vets is 'do some research'. This thread is a classic example of missed points. The vets who 'haven't lost a ship in losec in ages' aren't flying Tristans, I'll wager.

The best advice for a noob about losec IMO is 'don't go there - skill up, build up ISK, build up your experience and practice in hisec first. Then fit a replica of your best ship, park it on a hisec station and only then venture forth into losec. But if you're posting in the new citizens forum, just don't go to losec'.



A lot of veterans fly frigates. Cause they know that bigger isn't better. Your thinking that a veteran only flies big ships shows how little you know about EVE and the mechanics in place. I know whole alliances/corporations that are build out of veterans and only fly frigates and destroyers.

Tutorials I believe cover D-scan. If not, if you would have asked in advance about what you need for low-sec survival. Plenty of people would have helped and gave you advice and guides.

You are now just whining about how you lost a dual tanking caracal to a T3 cruiser (legion) and think that LLow-sec is "instant death", well it isn't. If you think and ask questions. Take Brave Newbies Inc. they have loads of new players and they mainly live in low-sec. I even have a new player that I keep in contact in game so I can help him with questions that went into WH space while not even being a month old. Sure he lost a ship or 2, but he took ships he can easily replace and knew by asking what to do to minimize the risk and knew that PvE fitted ships are no match for a PvP fitted ship.

Hell a PvE fitted battleship will loose against a couple of PvP fitted frigates.

As with anything in EVE, your successes aswel as failures are 99.9% the consequenses of your own actions. If something bad happened to you, it's more likely you made a mistake somewhere down the road that ended up in the filure of said thing then it is faulty game mechanics or cuase something is "impossible". Nothing in EVE is impossible, if you work hard enough for it.

Your mindset, well I have seen it before in the game many many times in the last 3 years, almost all of them didn't make it past their first 3 months becuse they expected the game to be suiting their needs instead of like it really is, where you have to make the game suit your needs, by all means neccesary. I hope you are different though.

Are you in need of some nice chat? Are you new and want some help? Look no further and join: Crazy Dutch Guy

Marmaduke Hatplate
Lone Wolf Union
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#28 - 2013-06-20 11:46:50 UTC
Ace Menda wrote:
Marmaduke Hatplate wrote:
Ace Menda wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Ace Menda wrote:

It ain't that bad.


Yes it is.

If I actually replace the ship and all my equibment I'm looking at a balance of only about 2-3m ISK and it will take me forever to get back up to my previous balance.


Hence the rule:

Dont fly what you cant afford to loose.

If you couldnt afford to loose that cruiser. You shouldnt have taken it into lowsec. Specially when you didnt use the correct precautions (you did use your D-scan etc I hope) and you were expecting people to play nice (which people never do in EVE anywhere). Low-sec isnt as bad....if you do use the mechanics at hand to keep you safe(ish).


But with your mindset. I'm not expecting you will end up playing for a very long time as you will find out that high sec is not safe either at one point.



This is the 'noob' forum. People like me are noobs. We dont know what the 'proper precautions' are, and generally, the advice we get from vets is 'do some research'. This thread is a classic example of missed points. The vets who 'haven't lost a ship in losec in ages' aren't flying Tristans, I'll wager.

The best advice for a noob about losec IMO is 'don't go there - skill up, build up ISK, build up your experience and practice in hisec first. Then fit a replica of your best ship, park it on a hisec station and only then venture forth into losec. But if you're posting in the new citizens forum, just don't go to losec'.



A lot of veterans fly frigates. Cause they know that bigger isn't better. Your thinking that a veteran only flies big ships shows how little you know about EVE and the mechanics in place. I know whole alliances/corporations that are build out of veterans and only fly frigates and destroyers.

Tutorials I believe cover D-scan. If not, if you would have asked in advance about what you need for low-sec survival. Plenty of people would have helped and gave you advice and guides.

You are now just whining about how you lost a dual tanking caracal to a T3 cruiser (legion) and think that LLow-sec is "instant death", well it isn't. If you think and ask questions. Take Brave Newbies Inc. they have loads of new players and they mainly live in low-sec. I even have a new player that I keep in contact in game so I can help him with questions that went into WH space while not even being a month old. Sure he lost a ship or 2, but he took ships he can easily replace and knew by asking what to do to minimize the risk and knew that PvE fitted ships are no match for a PvP fitted ship.

Hell a PvE fitted battleship will loose against a couple of PvP fitted frigates.

As with anything in EVE, your successes aswel as failures are 99.9% the consequenses of your own actions. If something bad happened to you, it's more likely you made a mistake somewhere down the road that ended up in the filure of said thing then it is faulty game mechanics or cuase something is "impossible". Nothing in EVE is impossible, if you work hard enough for it.


I'm not having a go at you, but you aren't paying much attention. I'm not the one who's lost anything (that's another poster-I've only lost 1 shuttle in losec, and I'm nt whining about that at all, fair kill no complaints). I'm also not saying anything is impossible. I'm just pointing out that when you've got 10mil and no clue about the deep complexity of Eve, 'get a cloak' and 'buy in bulk' is useless commentary in a noob forum.

I have recieved some advice in the ships and modules forum which was v helpful, I do agree that often vets are v helpful. The HelpMyMission channel in game has also been extremely useful and there are some great people using it.

I do think however that when vets say 'do some research before you go into losec', what they mean is 'wait till you're a few months trained/rich'.

If someone could suggest a Tristan fit that would cost less thsn 20mil and 600k SP which will give me a fighting chance in losec, though, I'll be game for giving it a shot! :D

"Friends and fun...The only 2 really important things in EVE Online." - Crazy Dutch Guy

Singu L'arity
Argent Gladius
Hole Tanking
#29 - 2013-06-20 11:52:01 UTC
If you want a fellow nub to do some stuff together, you can hit me up, if you wish :) At the moment I wanna try some FW out before my Trial ends (4 days), because solo mission running is such a bore Pirate
Trudeaux Margaret
The Scope
#30 - 2013-06-20 11:54:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Trudeaux Margaret
Ace Menda wrote:
Tutorials I believe cover D-scan..


They do not, unfortunately.


To the OP: I'm a bit irritated that you had post after post giving you advice to take a cheap frigate into lowsec and you completely ignored it and took a cruiser instead. Roll Rolling around as a noob in a cruiser does not make you look tough. It just makes you into a bigger target when, like you (and me too, still) do not have the PvP chops to properly fly a cruiser, solo, in that environment. I can fly a cruiser like a pro for running missions, but players don't follow an AI script, now, do they? So don't take expensive ships into a PvP zone until you know what you're doing.

Also there are lots of corporations which advertise "new player friendly" and which will train you to navigate low sec without getting asploded every ten seconds and even to PvP a little if you want. All you have to do is look around.

> anyone willing to give me like a 5 min politics crash course?

> grr goons, lowsec is full of elitist sh*s, all roads lead to the bittervet pl

Samuel Triptee
Malevelon Roe Industries
#31 - 2013-06-20 12:08:23 UTC
Hmmmm....

Well, I've read through this and will add my bit of semi-noob perspective. I write this as a new resident in null sec.


ISK is what you lose when you get your ship blown up.

ISK is what you lose when you get your pod blown up.

You don't lose status in the game.. it's only ISK.


Want to get over your fear of being podded, or losing a ship... try this!

How to pod yourself (also know as "pod-jumping")

1. Change the location of your clone, make sure it's up to date!
2. Leave your current ship.
3. Un-dock in your capsule only.
4. Right click on yourself in space and select "self destruct" (don't worry, it's only a game).
5. Wait for it... wait for it... 2 minutes actually... POP
6. Wake up in the station you relocated your clone to.
7. Repeat the process to get back.

CAUTION!
Make sure you know where you're going by checking out the map!

Have You Hugged Your Frigate Today?

Ace Menda
CDG Playgrounds
#32 - 2013-06-20 12:32:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Menda
Marmaduke Hatplate wrote:
Ace Menda wrote:

A lot of veterans fly frigates. Cause they know that bigger isn't better. Your thinking that a veteran only flies big ships shows how little you know about EVE and the mechanics in place. I know whole alliances/corporations that are build out of veterans and only fly frigates and destroyers.

Tutorials I believe cover D-scan. If not, if you would have asked in advance about what you need for low-sec survival. Plenty of people would have helped and gave you advice and guides.

You are now just whining about how you lost a dual tanking caracal to a T3 cruiser (legion) and think that LLow-sec is "instant death", well it isn't. If you think and ask questions. Take Brave Newbies Inc. they have loads of new players and they mainly live in low-sec. I even have a new player that I keep in contact in game so I can help him with questions that went into WH space while not even being a month old. Sure he lost a ship or 2, but he took ships he can easily replace and knew by asking what to do to minimize the risk and knew that PvE fitted ships are no match for a PvP fitted ship.

Hell a PvE fitted battleship will loose against a couple of PvP fitted frigates.

As with anything in EVE, your successes aswel as failures are 99.9% the consequenses of your own actions. If something bad happened to you, it's more likely you made a mistake somewhere down the road that ended up in the filure of said thing then it is faulty game mechanics or cuase something is "impossible". Nothing in EVE is impossible, if you work hard enough for it.


I'm not having a go at you, but you aren't paying much attention. I'm not the one who's lost anything (that's another poster-I've only lost 1 shuttle in losec, and I'm nt whining about that at all, fair kill no complaints). I'm also not saying anything is impossible. I'm just pointing out that when you've got 10mil and no clue about the deep complexity of Eve, 'get a cloak' and 'buy in bulk' is useless commentary in a noob forum.

I have recieved some advice in the ships and modules forum which was v helpful, I do agree that often vets are v helpful. The HelpMyMission channel in game has also been extremely useful and there are some great people using it.

I do think however that when vets say 'do some research before you go into losec', what they mean is 'wait till you're a few months trained/rich'.

If someone could suggest a Tristan fit that would cost less thsn 20mil and 600k SP which will give me a fighting chance in losec, though, I'll be game for giving it a shot! :D


It was not only towards you but also towards the other guy.


He was whining about his loss and you are wrong that you need to be months old to survive in low-sec.


As for your Tristan fit. It will be hard cause of the ROLE the tristan has as a exploration ship.

There are plenty of other Gallente ships that can be fitted to stand a chance in PvP if you pick the right fights. All well beyound 20mil (or even below 10mil) and can be flown by new players.

The tristan being the exploration frigate it means you have to run from most fights and thus have to watchy your D-scan like a hawk.

Bigger isn't better.
More expensive isn't better
More SP doesn't make you invincible.

The players that PvP know the weaknesses and strengths of their ships. And act accordingly.

You win by using tactics and common knowledge. Both you will NEVER gain by sitting in high-sec for months.

Are you in need of some nice chat? Are you new and want some help? Look no further and join: Crazy Dutch Guy

Dakkare Volkanus
Sugar Bomb Nuclear Confections
#33 - 2013-06-20 13:19:07 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
To be honest, a lot of people before you and a lot of people after you have had this same sentiment at one point or another in their career. My suggestion,

EDIT: Recruitment should occur in a different forum. - ISD Tyrozan

, get in a fleet operation, and you will see. Even if just for a few days. Low sec definitely isn't as scary as people make it out to be. Believe me, I felt the same way you felt, until yesterday. Fly safe, fly Brave.
Jenn Ymor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-06-20 13:50:03 UTC
Although I can understand that Low-Sec and Null-Sec appear scary, both from being the "unknown" and by stories heard from other people, and due to the fact you just lost a cruiser, it shouldn't discourage you. Eve is a harsh place and sometimes the learning curve can be very frightening, but if you stop now and stay in high sec, you will be missing out both on content and opportunities to learn something new.
I agree that it might have been a bit unlucky to just encourage you to go out and roam the wilds without giving a bit of advice, but please understand where most people come from. Many of us had to search for the information needed ourselves and while most of us are happy to share at least some insight, we often take it for granted that people sit down and research the topic they asked information about. You could have taken that it is not wise to go out there in a cruised if you can barely afford a new one, some other facts you might have learned while being blown to pieces.
I'll try and give you some advice, it will not be all you need, but maybe it can help you go out there the next time:

If you venture out into lowsec, take a cheap ship you can easily replace, naturally the best option will be a frig, or even a shuttle.
Some gates can be camped, especially high traffic routes, and the faster you get through those bottlenecks, the better. You can look up potential dangerous places by opening the star map and filter for "Jumps in last hour" "Ships killed" Pod Kills" and other obvious indicators that ships get blown up there. Next step which does not hurt and can save yourself and your ship later on is setting bookmarks. Jump from Gate to Gate or Planet/Installation/whatever and set bookmarks while traveling. This will be your safe spots later on. While not being foolproof, these spots can buy you a little extra time while those pesky pirates search for you. Make a few and repeat that for the systems you are planing to visit. Again, this can be easily done in a shuttle without risking anything. Also, check your D-Scan. Often. Like, really often. You can filter for specific things by using the same settings as your overview. Set up an overview Tab to only ships and Scan Probes for example. This will filter out all the stuff that wouldn't hurt you anyway and you can see on a quick glance if something or someone is coming for you. Again, this will not protect you from everything, but will buy you those extra seconds you need to escape. It is not a shame to run from people in the beginning and escaping while being hunt by severall people can be feeling like a win too. Once you feel comfortable with your surroundings and your ship you can start picking fights and hunt on your own.

Of course this is just some basic stuff and there is lots more. Like previous posters said, picking a newbie friendly corp that is located in low sec can be a great start and roaming in packs makes it easier to learn stuff and also provides some added sense of security.
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-06-20 14:56:41 UTC
Ace Menda wrote:
Marmaduke Hatplate wrote:
Ace Menda wrote:

A lot of veterans fly frigates. Cause they know that bigger isn't better. Your thinking that a veteran only flies big ships shows how little you know about EVE and the mechanics in place. I know whole alliances/corporations that are build out of veterans and only fly frigates and destroyers.

Tutorials I believe cover D-scan. If not, if you would have asked in advance about what you need for low-sec survival. Plenty of people would have helped and gave you advice and guides.

You are now just whining about how you lost a dual tanking caracal to a T3 cruiser (legion) and think that LLow-sec is "instant death", well it isn't. If you think and ask questions. Take Brave Newbies Inc. they have loads of new players and they mainly live in low-sec. I even have a new player that I keep in contact in game so I can help him with questions that went into WH space while not even being a month old. Sure he lost a ship or 2, but he took ships he can easily replace and knew by asking what to do to minimize the risk and knew that PvE fitted ships are no match for a PvP fitted ship.

Hell a PvE fitted battleship will loose against a couple of PvP fitted frigates.

As with anything in EVE, your successes aswel as failures are 99.9% the consequenses of your own actions. If something bad happened to you, it's more likely you made a mistake somewhere down the road that ended up in the filure of said thing then it is faulty game mechanics or cuase something is "impossible". Nothing in EVE is impossible, if you work hard enough for it.


I'm not having a go at you, but you aren't paying much attention. I'm not the one who's lost anything (that's another poster-I've only lost 1 shuttle in losec, and I'm nt whining about that at all, fair kill no complaints). I'm also not saying anything is impossible. I'm just pointing out that when you've got 10mil and no clue about the deep complexity of Eve, 'get a cloak' and 'buy in bulk' is useless commentary in a noob forum.

I have recieved some advice in the ships and modules forum which was v helpful, I do agree that often vets are v helpful. The HelpMyMission channel in game has also been extremely useful and there are some great people using it.

I do think however that when vets say 'do some research before you go into losec', what they mean is 'wait till you're a few months trained/rich'.

If someone could suggest a Tristan fit that would cost less thsn 20mil and 600k SP which will give me a fighting chance in losec, though, I'll be game for giving it a shot! :D


It was not only towards you but also towards the other guy.


He was whining about his loss and you are wrong that you need to be months old to survive in low-sec.


As for your Tristan fit. It will be hard cause of the ROLE the tristan has as a exploration ship.

There are plenty of other Gallente ships that can be fitted to stand a chance in PvP if you pick the right fights. All well beyound 20mil (or even below 10mil) and can be flown by new players.

The tristan being the exploration frigate it means you have to run from most fights and thus have to watchy your D-scan like a hawk.

Bigger isn't better.
More expensive isn't better
More SP doesn't make you invincible.

The players that PvP know the weaknesses and strengths of their ships. And act accordingly.

You win by using tactics and common knowledge. Both you will NEVER gain by sitting in high-sec for months.


The tristan isn't an explo-frig. You're thinking of the imicus, which has seen more than one great party trick fit, able to take out unsuspecting frigates.
The tristan is a fantastic combat frig that doesn't need a gazillion sp to be effective (although a gazillion sp makes it downright deadly to anything slower)

Tristan, low-sec hero

2x 125mm rail guns
Small nos (defensive)

1mn mwd
Warp disruptor
Web (defensive)

Damage control
Small armor repairer
Drone damage amp

2 flights of hobgoblins

2x aux nano pumps
Aux thrusters

Kite them to death from 18km or so. Pulse your mwd to keep range. If your opponent gets too close then web them and turn on the nos so you can run your mwd for long enough to get back out to kite range. This fit is low sp and cheap. Its a great boat for losing 12 in a row while learning how to kite with drones.

Dont fear low sec. Its fun out here.

Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#36 - 2013-06-20 16:25:27 UTC
Marmaduke Hatplate wrote:

We dont know what the 'proper precautions' are, and generally, the advice we get from vets is 'do some research'.



What this "we" nonsense? I know people who just started playing and they're doing fine. As far as advice, what did you expect everyone to do open your head and pour in knowledge?
Marmaduke Hatplate
Lone Wolf Union
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#37 - 2013-06-20 17:44:21 UTC
Ace Menda wrote:
Marmaduke Hatplate wrote:
Ace Menda wrote:

A lot of veterans fly frigates. Cause they know that bigger isn't better. Your thinking that a veteran only flies big ships shows how little you know about EVE and the mechanics in place. I know whole alliances/corporations that are build out of veterans and only fly frigates and destroyers.

Tutorials I believe cover D-scan. If not, if you would have asked in advance about what you need for low-sec survival. Plenty of people would have helped and gave you advice and guides.

You are now just whining about how you lost a dual tanking caracal to a T3 cruiser (legion) and think that LLow-sec is "instant death", well it isn't. If you think and ask questions. Take Brave Newbies Inc. they have loads of new players and they mainly live in low-sec. I even have a new player that I keep in contact in game so I can help him with questions that went into WH space while not even being a month old. Sure he lost a ship or 2, but he took ships he can easily replace and knew by asking what to do to minimize the risk and knew that PvE fitted ships are no match for a PvP fitted ship.

Hell a PvE fitted battleship will loose against a couple of PvP fitted frigates.

As with anything in EVE, your successes aswel as failures are 99.9% the consequenses of your own actions. If something bad happened to you, it's more likely you made a mistake somewhere down the road that ended up in the filure of said thing then it is faulty game mechanics or cuase something is "impossible". Nothing in EVE is impossible, if you work hard enough for it.


I'm not having a go at you, but you aren't paying much attention. I'm not the one who's lost anything (that's another poster-I've only lost 1 shuttle in losec, and I'm nt whining about that at all, fair kill no complaints). I'm also not saying anything is impossible. I'm just pointing out that when you've got 10mil and no clue about the deep complexity of Eve, 'get a cloak' and 'buy in bulk' is useless commentary in a noob forum.

I have recieved some advice in the ships and modules forum which was v helpful, I do agree that often vets are v helpful. The HelpMyMission channel in game has also been extremely useful and there are some great people using it.

I do think however that when vets say 'do some research before you go into losec', what they mean is 'wait till you're a few months trained/rich'.

If someone could suggest a Tristan fit that would cost less thsn 20mil and 600k SP which will give me a fighting chance in losec, though, I'll be game for giving it a shot! :D


It was not only towards you but also towards the other guy.


He was whining about his loss and you are wrong that you need to be months old to survive in low-sec.


As for your Tristan fit. It will be hard cause of the ROLE the tristan has as a exploration ship.

There are plenty of other Gallente ships that can be fitted to stand a chance in PvP if you pick the right fights. All well beyound 20mil (or even below 10mil) and can be flown by new players.

The tristan being the exploration frigate it means you have to run from most fights and thus have to watchy your D-scan like a hawk.

Bigger isn't better.
More expensive isn't better
More SP doesn't make you invincible.

The players that PvP know the weaknesses and strengths of their ships. And act accordingly.

You win by using tactics and common knowledge. Both you will NEVER gain by sitting in high-sec for months.


I'm still waiting for some sort pf actual concrete suggestion. You say a tristan is an exploration ship. But not apparently for rxploring losec or nullsec?

"Loads of vets fly frigates" - but mot tristans, is that what you're saying? :D

I'm seriously not trying to troll or flame. I'm doing as you suggest: asking for advice on what frigate and what fit to take into losec that I can buy for 10mil and fly at approx 600k SP.

"Friends and fun...The only 2 really important things in EVE Online." - Crazy Dutch Guy

Marmaduke Hatplate
Lone Wolf Union
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#38 - 2013-06-20 17:48:15 UTC
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
Ace Menda wrote:
Marmaduke Hatplate wrote:
Ace Menda wrote:

A lot of veterans fly frigates. Cause they know that bigger isn't better. Your thinking that a veteran only flies big ships shows how little you know about EVE and the mechanics in place. I know whole alliances/corporations that are build out of veterans and only fly frigates and destroyers.

Tutorials I believe cover D-scan. If not, if you would have asked in advance about what you need for low-sec survival. Plenty of people would have helped and gave you advice and guides.

You are now just whining about how you lost a dual tanking caracal to a T3 cruiser (legion) and think that LLow-sec is "instant death", well it isn't. If you think and ask questions. Take Brave Newbies Inc. they have loads of new players and they mainly live in low-sec. I even have a new player that I keep in contact in game so I can help him with questions that went into WH space while not even being a month old. Sure he lost a ship or 2, but he took ships he can easily replace and knew by asking what to do to minimize the risk and knew that PvE fitted ships are no match for a PvP fitted ship.

Hell a PvE fitted battleship will loose against a couple of PvP fitted frigates.

As with anything in EVE, your successes aswel as failures are 99.9% the consequenses of your own actions. If something bad happened to you, it's more likely you made a mistake somewhere down the road that ended up in the filure of said thing then it is faulty game mechanics or cuase something is "impossible". Nothing in EVE is impossible, if you work hard enough for it.


I'm not having a go at you, but you aren't paying much attention. I'm not the one who's lost anything (that's another poster-I've only lost 1 shuttle in losec, and I'm nt whining about that at all, fair kill no complaints). I'm also not saying anything is impossible. I'm just pointing out that when you've got 10mil and no clue about the deep complexity of Eve, 'get a cloak' and 'buy in bulk' is useless commentary in a noob forum.

I have recieved some advice in the ships and modules forum which was v helpful, I do agree that often vets are v helpful. The HelpMyMission channel in game has also been extremely useful and there are some great people using it.

I do think however that when vets say 'do some research before you go into losec', what they mean is 'wait till you're a few months trained/rich'.

If someone could suggest a Tristan fit that would cost less thsn 20mil and 600k SP which will give me a fighting chance in losec, though, I'll be game for giving it a shot! :D


It was not only towards you but also towards the other guy.


He was whining about his loss and you are wrong that you need to be months old to survive in low-sec.


As for your Tristan fit. It will be hard cause of the ROLE the tristan has as a exploration ship.

There are plenty of other Gallente ships that can be fitted to stand a chance in PvP if you pick the right fights. All well beyound 20mil (or even below 10mil) and can be flown by new players.

The tristan being the exploration frigate it means you have to run from most fights and thus have to watchy your D-scan like a hawk.

Bigger isn't better.
More expensive isn't better
More SP doesn't make you invincible.

The players that PvP know the weaknesses and strengths of their ships. And act accordingly.

You win by using tactics and common knowledge. Both you will NEVER gain by sitting in high-sec for months.


The tristan isn't an explo-frig. You're thinking of the imicus, which has seen more than one great party trick fit, able to take out unsuspecting frigates.
The tristan is a fantastic combat frig that doesn't need a gazillion sp to be effective (although a gazillion sp makes it downright deadly to anything slower)

Tristan, low-sec hero

2x 125mm rail guns
Small nos (defensive)

1mn mwd
Warp disruptor
Web (defensive)

Damage control
Small armor repairer
Drone damage amp

2 flights of hobgoblins

2x aux nano pumps
Aux thrusters

Kite them to death from 18km or so. Pulse your mwd to keep range. If your opponent gets too close then web them and turn on the nos so you can run your mwd for long enough to get back out to kite range. This fit is low sp and cheap. Its a great boat for losing 12 in a row while learning how to kite with drones.

Dont fear low sec. Its fun out here.



Awesome, that's exactly what I'm looking for!

Losec fun, here I come! :D

"Friends and fun...The only 2 really important things in EVE Online." - Crazy Dutch Guy

Sugar Kyle
Middle Ground
#39 - 2013-06-20 17:57:16 UTC
Marmaduke Hatplate wrote:

If someone could suggest a Tristan fit that would cost less thsn 20mil and 600k SP which will give me a fighting chance in losec, though, I'll be game for giving it a shot! :D


This particular line is most interesting. You are equating win/lose with ship/fit/sp instead of situation.

Remember that Eve is a game of counters. You can be in a perfect skilled and fit Tristan and still die in a fire immediately. You can be in a perfectly skilled and fit battleship and still die in a fire to the right opponent.

What people are suggesting is the easiest method they can think of to let people dip their toes into low sec, have a chance to escape situations, and just experience a more hostile area of the game without having a big loss if/when their newness and lack of skills catch up to them.

Member of CSM9 and CSM10.

Ace Menda
CDG Playgrounds
#40 - 2013-06-20 17:57:46 UTC
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
Ace Menda wrote:
Marmaduke Hatplate wrote:
Ace Menda wrote:

A lot of veterans fly frigates. Cause they know that bigger isn't better. Your thinking that a veteran only flies big ships shows how little you know about EVE and the mechanics in place. I know whole alliances/corporations that are build out of veterans and only fly frigates and destroyers.

Tutorials I believe cover D-scan. If not, if you would have asked in advance about what you need for low-sec survival. Plenty of people would have helped and gave you advice and guides.

You are now just whining about how you lost a dual tanking caracal to a T3 cruiser (legion) and think that LLow-sec is "instant death", well it isn't. If you think and ask questions. Take Brave Newbies Inc. they have loads of new players and they mainly live in low-sec. I even have a new player that I keep in contact in game so I can help him with questions that went into WH space while not even being a month old. Sure he lost a ship or 2, but he took ships he can easily replace and knew by asking what to do to minimize the risk and knew that PvE fitted ships are no match for a PvP fitted ship.

Hell a PvE fitted battleship will loose against a couple of PvP fitted frigates.

As with anything in EVE, your successes aswel as failures are 99.9% the consequenses of your own actions. If something bad happened to you, it's more likely you made a mistake somewhere down the road that ended up in the filure of said thing then it is faulty game mechanics or cuase something is "impossible". Nothing in EVE is impossible, if you work hard enough for it.


I'm not having a go at you, but you aren't paying much attention. I'm not the one who's lost anything (that's another poster-I've only lost 1 shuttle in losec, and I'm nt whining about that at all, fair kill no complaints). I'm also not saying anything is impossible. I'm just pointing out that when you've got 10mil and no clue about the deep complexity of Eve, 'get a cloak' and 'buy in bulk' is useless commentary in a noob forum.

I have recieved some advice in the ships and modules forum which was v helpful, I do agree that often vets are v helpful. The HelpMyMission channel in game has also been extremely useful and there are some great people using it.

I do think however that when vets say 'do some research before you go into losec', what they mean is 'wait till you're a few months trained/rich'.

If someone could suggest a Tristan fit that would cost less thsn 20mil and 600k SP which will give me a fighting chance in losec, though, I'll be game for giving it a shot! :D


It was not only towards you but also towards the other guy.


He was whining about his loss and you are wrong that you need to be months old to survive in low-sec.


As for your Tristan fit. It will be hard cause of the ROLE the tristan has as a exploration ship.

There are plenty of other Gallente ships that can be fitted to stand a chance in PvP if you pick the right fights. All well beyound 20mil (or even below 10mil) and can be flown by new players.

The tristan being the exploration frigate it means you have to run from most fights and thus have to watchy your D-scan like a hawk.

Bigger isn't better.
More expensive isn't better
More SP doesn't make you invincible.

The players that PvP know the weaknesses and strengths of their ships. And act accordingly.

You win by using tactics and common knowledge. Both you will NEVER gain by sitting in high-sec for months.


The tristan isn't an explo-frig. You're thinking of the imicus, which has seen more than one great party trick fit, able to take out unsuspecting frigates.
The tristan is a fantastic combat frig that doesn't need a gazillion sp to be effective (although a gazillion sp makes it downright deadly to anything slower)

Tristan, low-sec hero

2x 125mm rail guns
Small nos (defensive)

1mn mwd
Warp disruptor
Web (defensive)

Damage control
Small armor repairer
Drone damage amp

2 flights of hobgoblins

2x aux nano pumps
Aux thrusters

Kite them to death from 18km or so. Pulse your mwd to keep range. If your opponent gets too close then web them and turn on the nos so you can run your mwd for long enough to get back out to kite range. This fit is low sp and cheap. Its a great boat for losing 12 in a row while learning how to kite with drones.

Dont fear low sec. Its fun out here.



Thanks...was at work at time of posting. So couldn't look it up...though it was the probing one.

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