Player Features and Ideas Discussion

As noted above, the biggest problem with them atm, especially as "neut defense" is that they're just too weak. So make them do something really interesting:

Rather than leeching a fixed and pretty trivial amount, make them more potent the lower your cap is. So, rather than leeching X, what they leech is 1/2 of the difference between your current absolute cap level and your max cap amount. If you are bone dry at 0 out of 500 cap, this means that in one cycle one NOS would restore 1/2 of your total cap (250) (and subtract that same amount from the target). If you are at 400 out of 500, then it would leech only 50 cap.

To keep you from getting 100% cap recharge in one shot, apply a steep stacking penalty to them. So one NOS would work on the ratio of 1/2 of your cap gap. Two would restore 2/3 of the gap between your current level and full. Three would restore 3/4, 4 would give 4/5, etc.

To keep everyone from just fitting small NOSes on everything, limit the total allowable amount of leech at a class-appropriate value. So a small NOS could never leech more than a value that is 1/2 of the average total cap for frigate hulls. Medium NOS could never deliver more than 1/2 the average fill for a cruiser cap pool, etc.

It could still be subject to the same limit already imposed; target has to have more absolute cap than the amount that you have, in order for the module to leech anything.

Another alternative, which I am guessing would be hard to do with your current module mechanics, would be to multiply the cycle time of the module by whatever your current cap percentage is. So if you're at 20% cap the cycle time would be reduced by 80%. You could limit this scaling so that at 10% cap or less the module would have 90% shorter cycle time, to keep it from ever getting to zero.

Either way, this would actually make them potent as a real neut defense, which as explained above they're pretty useless for as they are today.

Yes please. This is a change I can get behind.

It has no activation cost. Cause if it did, then it would just be a **** poor neut. And constantly shutting off would suck when you want it to hit every chance it gets to actually do some good.

The biggest issue is just Nos full stop. The change is welcome, but it's just micro patching a bad module.

I know it's outside the scope of what you want for 1.1, but Nos just needs to change from the ground up, or have vastly more utility in fights. It's a filler module in most cases, and this isn't going to alter it.

I'd much rather have something like a "Capacitor suppressor" in the game. A module which reduces the amount of capacitor capacity a ship has, but doesn't change the recharge time. You could make them stack, have a capped maximum limit...whatever, but the result would be other people not capping out directly (use the energy neut for that), but having to manage their modules a lot more as they have less total cap capacity to play with.

Reduce the fitting cost a bit, and possibly increase the amount drained too. Otherwise it's still in the realm of a novelty module.

Sound like a good change, especially for frigates. +1

I like this, but it doesn't go far enough. The problem is nos's get you back much less cap/s than a neut of the same size kills. Nos have a faster cycle time which is good, but the cap/s should be equal between nos and neut, or at least close.

Currently a small nuet kills 9GJ/s and a small nos gives you 3.2GJ/s, it's a joke. Given nos has a half cycle time, one could accept a 100% increase, but as it stands they're pretty horrible.

I'm really not sure of any reason why a nos shouldn't get you back the same cap, it uses the same slot, same pg and MORE cpu, which balances against the quicker cycle time.

Edit, I see the current nos amount figure is based off the lvl V difference between a neuts local and targetted cap killed/cycle time. I kind of forgot about that. If you increase the nos amount/s, it would be balanced with the old % difference mechanic, but with the new way, a nos that gets back what a neut kills would be unbalanced.

Perhaps a modest decrease in cycle time, down to 2s? So that's 4.8GJ/s.

So if your cap is full but it's still less than the cap of your target, say a BS nos-ing a supercarrier, would it still take away the super carrier's cap, even though it has nowhere to put it?

As many have already said, reduce the fitting costs of Nos. It has less utility and adaptability than a Neut, so the fittings should be less.

This is a bad idea, at least on its own. It changes nothing about Nos in substance, or how Nos will be used.

Small Nos are relatively common and useful, being used as neut-defence on tacklers, while large Nos are virtually unused because of cycle time, drain amount, fitting requirements and the different cap requirements of heavy ships.

Your proposed change helps small Nos vaguely, but it is actually a straight nerf to large Nos because it is more likely that the numerical cap level will not be met when trying to Nos a target. You have come up with an idea that boosts the Nos that is close to balance and flat nerfs that the Nos that really needs help. Please think again.

IMO the % mechanic is fine, you just need to look at drain amounts, cycle times and fitting requirements.