Ships & Modules

if it needs more than 1 fitting mod/rig to work

its wrong.

The point of a 100mn fit is that you are supposing to be kiting and not taking damage. You're using 5 fitting mods/rigs.

That is the definition of doing it wrong.

Why do you need a shield booster if you are in a gang? Get some logi and go with a buffer tank because that ASB isn't really going to help you survive at all. It might help to soften incoming DPS for 30 seconds, but after that, you'll pop. Also that AB isn't going to work well with HAMs as you'll struggle to keep anything within weapon range unless you can approach it in a straight line.

lets just say there is a reason no1 fits their tengu like that.

Well it depends how much damage you're taking. If it's just a 1v1 fight or something, ASB will rep you up quite well but if you're getting primaried by a gang of 6 people, the ASB can only do so much. In a small gang, you should really have logi support with you and take a larger buffer tank.

Also, you'll have trouble keeping stuff in range because you have a very slow alignment. If you're using your AB to sig tank, your alignment is going to be so slow that any small ships that want to get out of your weapon range can just fly away from you as you turn (unless you're using long range ammo, rigs or implants, which isn't mentioned in your fit).

1) if the asb is effectively an extender its the best in the game. by the time it runs out of ammo it will have given an enormous amount of EHP

2) its interesting peoples views of cap stability. most builds I see posted that get forum thumbs up have like 2-3 minutes of capacitor before running out. Im all for cap stability and boosters as I see them as the heart/bloodstream of the ship. When they run out you die and its why many fights last 1-3 minutes(about as long as people have cap). I didnt want to go overboard with capacitor but your saying on top of the cap stability go with a booster? because that will hurt either speed/tank/dps and get flamed even more right?

3) the build you posted pretty much replaces ASB with extender(larger sig size, less total EHP given) and upgrades some modules to faction versions. Im cool with what you posted because in my view its pretty much same as what i posted. But is the extender vs ASB(better in my newb view) change really the difference between good and bad build for you?

you said if Im flying with logi ship that i should go with extender because its easier to fit and gives me bigger shield until logi can start healing me. How longs it take for the logi to start repping me? Because if it starts repping me early enough and Im using ASB then total we should be able to heal more than they DPS me making the ASB more stable over the course of the fight. Now of course in truly large groups the DPS would be too high to matter but I was thinking like 4-6 man groups here. 2100 EHP fix from my asb + log ship is gonna absorbe a lot of DPS

What i gain by going with the ASB is much smaller sig sizer which means missiles which are extremely popular offense are gonna do very little damage to me negating a significant portion of the damage incoming(based on EFT experimentation whcih is all i can do with my low skills). Small sig + speed + asb/logi seems like it could do some unexpected things in pvp that maybe vets arent fully appreciating....or Im totally off base here

4) you mentioned using the ASB to get away from bad encounters. Ok thats cool but i was mostly thinking speed to minimize damage and controlling range to the target. Your saying that a primaried tengu = webbed = slow speed = no ability to control range

ham tengus are very popular so is the idea that whoever gets primaried is out for the fight because their too slow to get within range of their HAM weapons. So then their job is to survive. And to survive extenders are the way to go because youll be dead before the ASB can provide enough EHP compared to what you start with using extenders. I can understand all of that but then the question becomes

what makes a weak tank kiting frigate with high speed ok but the ham tengu with high speed and much better tank/resists not ok?



so your saying im slower than drake, less dps than drake, less buffer. Yet tengu is very popular for pvp, more than drake. so lets see this drake that does everything better than that tengu. because i think your combinging several different types of drakes in your head...ran out of space

[Drake, ham]

Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Warp Disruptor II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Small Energy Neutralizer II

Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Warrior II x5

I just copy-pasted the second gen podla drake with hams. With the implants it would probably beat your tengu at dps, buffer tank, speed and agility (some by smaller margin, others by huge) and it sports a dual web and longer range point. The only thing you have going for you is the mentioned unscramability and missile range (which can be remedied by using the navy drake, which becomes even cap stable, if that's your thing).

The gimmick of 100mn tengu was its damage application and speed tanking at relatively long ranges, which allowed you to wear down your targets faster (albeit still slowly) than them wearing you. By using the asb you're forcing yourself in a time envelope where plenty of ships would outlive and outdamage you.

If you're in a fleet/gang with logi (which should be able to rep you a second or two after you taking damage, if not, then all of you need switch to T1 cruisers to get the hang of things) and want a tengu, fit it with buffer/resists, T2 point and damage mods and you have a nice little 700-800 dps machine.

TL;DR:Use proper tools for different situations. A badly fit 100mn tengu isn't a proper tool for gang PvP.

It fails for a number of reasons.

1. You fit it like a cheapass. You should be looking to spend, at minimum, 1.2b on a 100MN tengu, if you want any real performance. Navy tackle, deadspace AB, and CN BCSs are a given.

2. You have a billion fitting mods on it. You shouldn't need a co-pro. You shouldn't need two RCUs. Either your skills are abysmal, or you just can't fit properly.

3. You are considering buying a Shaqil's implant, but won't put out for snakes.

4. You are using rage HAMs, when the most important benefit of a HAMgu over a HAM legion is projection.

I have seen your other posts, you should probably get some experience in cheap ships before you try to PvP in a tengu or rat in a carrier. If not, let me know where you fly it, so I can uninstall one of your subsystems.

this was a great response. Good info and finish off with some humour. Fear not, i have the skills to fly a caracal and currently mining my way to be space rich while I learn about the game and skill up for the ships I want to fly.

1) if 100mn tengu requires the shiniest modules to work then its not for me.

2) nope its not that, the skills in eft are at lvl5. Its the cheap mods which have higher cpu/power requirements

3) shaqils implant is cheap

4) so get longer range hams got it

yours was one of the better responses. If my comments came of wrong I apologize I been getting a lot of harassment on the forums so my attitude was getting a bit rough I think.

I think im going to stay away from the 100mn fit if it requires such bling modules to make work