Player Features and Ideas Discussion

*You use a gate.
*You use a station
It seems reasonable that a gate/station could log who passes through, broadcasting when people enter and leave....
But there are other ways into and out of systems...

ie cynos and WHs

If you cyno in a system, you don't show up in local -> you still show up in the local of the system you were last in, until you use another station/gate.
Ditto on WHs.

If you enter a system through a gate and cloak up -> you still show up in local

You get a blops to bridge you in... you don't show up - the blops may leave via a gate, thus dissappearing from local, and nobody would know the bridged SBs are in...

etc

sounds reasonable but i have the feeling that local is here to stay.

I sorta like it.

Things I like:

☼ People who have entered via WH space or via covert ops cyno not showing up in local:

Reason:
Wormhole space is not registered via CONCORD. No pilot in his right mind would pop into a low or null sec system from a wormhole and broadcast to CONCORD to say HEY I'M HERE PUT ME IN LOCAL.
Covert Cynos are exactly that... Covert. No reason why CONCORD or anyone else would know you just got bridged in via a covert cyno.

Things I don't like:

☼ Leaving a ghost image of your ship behind in the local of the last system you got registered in.

Reason:
Just doesn't seem like it would flow right. There's not much reason, that I can think of, for it either. When I enter into WH space I don't ghost to the system I left I just go off the grid.

☼ Normal Cyno jumps not showing up.

Reason:
These things are not covert at all, they should not be granted a covert quality like this.


Additional Notes:

Logging in would renew the last local status you were when you logged out:

Example: You weren't in local cause you jumped in through a WH, you aren't in local when you re-log.

You only show up in local if you are in the system!!! Fixed it!! Go meeeeeeeeee

I can accept that.

Give us the ability to leave local, the same way we can leave region/constellation chat, and everything will be fixed. You'll have your intel at the price of everyone else knowing you're there too, you'll have your stealthy maneuvers at the price of not knowing if anyone's even there to take stealthy maneuvers against, and local's all-seeing eye will be all-seeing no more.

It will also have the nice side effect of people complaining much much less about Jita spam, possibly leaving freighter/industrial pilots more unaware (read: blind and vulnerable) to ganks, make highsec wars moderately more interesting ("Do I turn on local and see if there are WTs about, or stay hidden?") and introduce a new strategic element to FW by making sure farmers/hunters never really know if anyone is in-system.

Har har, what a good tactic:
"If they disagree and I have no argument against it, call them stupid"

Yes, WH space exists, and in many ways its better.

"does this not lower risk while increasing reward for covert ops ship?"
Well, I don't see how it lowers the risk much, but yes, it could improve the reward.

There is no reason you should be able to be perfectly safe 99.9% of the time in null sec (with the unsafe times beinf when the system is being invaded, and a POS won't save you), simply by looking at local.

WH mechanics are the way local *should* work. I'd like to spread them to all of null sec, but I'm suggesting this as a comprimise:
Use a gate, get registered as in system for everyone to see on local.

You want security? have people scanning for WHs to stop entry that way, have people keeping a record of what ships have entered via a gate, and if they could have cyno'd anyone else in, etc.


It shouldn't be a matter of: log on, check local, farm in complete safety, dock up if someone else enters local.

That is a very unbalanced system that makes the risk vs reward of using a covops way to high, because there is no reward other than the "reward" one gets from being an AFK cloaker and "disrupting" the nullbear operations