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Iorga Eeta
Hekatonkheires Industries
#41 - 2013-06-19 16:00:22 UTC
Sex Slave Girl wrote:
Is this how you do it? Using random code to please the gamer population. Why not make it so that your ship has 5% to blow up if you overload your modules. Come on, this random array programming stuff can use some changs here and there.

http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/4053/nx0p.jpg

Oh and don't get me started on those restorative nodes. Da hell.. I get 5 of them in a row... what's wrong with you.



Darnit you random coding!!!



You're using a T1 relic analyzer. I suspect you don't even have any of the new hacking modules attached to your ship.

Use the right tools for the right job.
Fa Xian
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2013-06-19 16:10:37 UTC
Iorga Eeta wrote:
You're using a T1 relic analyzer.


I agree.

Here's some things I've realized since the hacking mini-game hit;

1) Good skills and modules add up;

Exploration frigate: +5 Strength
Cov Ops frigate: +10 Strength

Data Analyzer I: Strength: 20, Coherence: 40
Data Analyzer II: Strength: 30, Coherence: 60

Small Memetic Algorithm Bank I: +10 Coherence
Small Memetic Algorithm Bank II: +20 Coherence

Find anything you can to raise your chances. No more grav rigs! It wasn't important to have Hacking V and Archaeology V before Odyssey. Now, it is. You need them for T2 analyzers, which are way more effective.

2) The worst nodes are Restoration and Virus Suppressor. Kill Restoration nodes as soon as they pop; they have low strength, so hopefully it won't hurt too bad. Virus Suppressor is basically a game over; kill immediately, but you'll likely have little chance of finishing if you have to face more than 1 - tools are essential here.

The image shown in the original is a null sec game... those are supposed to be the hardest. So, you'll need the best things to do them.
Spurty
#43 - 2013-06-19 16:13:11 UTC
Posting in a "In space, there is no gravity, so your boobs hang" thread.

Also, do not understand what the point of the thread is about, but happy to oogle at OPs avatar for 15 seconds :O

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And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

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Din Chao
#44 - 2013-06-19 16:20:51 UTC
"I failed to win a game. This is obviously someone else's fault!" Shocked
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
#45 - 2013-06-19 16:21:16 UTC
Sex Slave Girl wrote:
it's just the random coding in some maps


So let me get this straight. You're complaining that the Random Number Goddess actually is random? Is that it?

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Din Chao
#46 - 2013-06-19 16:29:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Din Chao
Also, based on your screen shot, you don't have 5 Restoration Nodes, you have 5 Virus Suppressors.

You also have 3 waiting Data Caches with possible Utilities.

You haven't lost yet, you've only conceded defeat.
Fa Xian
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-06-19 16:31:10 UTC
Din Chao wrote:
"I failed to win a game. This is obviously someone else's fault!"


It seems to me that the current system does basically mean you are guaranteed to fail some cans sometimes. Better skills help, but it is still pretty random what comes up. Obviously, there's a click pattern you can use to help your odds, a basic strategy that will help, but you'll still fail sometimes - bad luck.

Indeed, the loot spew seems to be a second indicator that the designer's intention is that you fail sometimes. You aren't supposed to win all cans or catch all loots.

That's a culture shock compared to the last system. In the last one, you would always eventually open the can. And always get all the loot in it. Now, you are not guaranteed of either one.
Din Chao
#48 - 2013-06-19 16:34:26 UTC
Fa Xian wrote:
Din Chao wrote:
"I failed to win a game. This is obviously someone else's fault!"


It seems to me that the current system does basically mean you are guaranteed to fail some cans sometimes. Better skills help, but it is still pretty random what comes up. Obviously, there's a click pattern you can use to help your odds, a basic strategy that will help, but you'll still fail sometimes - bad luck.

Indeed, the loot spew seems to be a second indicator that the designer's intention is that you fail sometimes. You aren't supposed to win all cans or catch all loots.

That's a culture shock compared to the last system. In the last one, you would always eventually open the can. And always get all the loot in it. Now, you are not guaranteed of either one.

Exactly. But even in the old system, you were never guaranteed to get anything of value out of every can. How many times have you watched a Hacking Module cycle for 5 minutes only to reveal 40,000 isk in garbage?
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#49 - 2013-06-19 16:41:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Fa Xian wrote:
Din Chao wrote:
"I failed to win a game. This is obviously someone else's fault!"


It seems to me that the current system does basically mean you are guaranteed to fail some cans sometimes. Better skills help, but it is still pretty random what comes up. Obviously, there's a click pattern you can use to help your odds, a basic strategy that will help, but you'll still fail sometimes - bad luck.

Indeed, the loot spew seems to be a second indicator that the designer's intention is that you fail sometimes. You aren't supposed to win all cans or catch all loots.

That's a culture shock compared to the last system. In the last one, you would always eventually open the can. And always get all the loot in it. Now, you are not guaranteed of either one.

You hit the nail on the head. Most folks appear to be conditioned (in this game) to always seek the most efficient and predictable path to a guaranteed pay off.

Any random element that requires thought, anything unexpected, or any situation that results in their pay off being lost to them is alien to their way of thinking.

I think we all agree that the old way was pretty boring, and that the new system is much more entertaining. The only way to get people to be comfortable with the new way of doing things is to expand it to other area's of the game. If this is done it won't take long until it becomes the norm, and people scoff at anyone wanting it "dumbed down" (most of the player base is doing this already).

If anything, the more widespread opinion is that the process is too simple and lucurative.

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Jayrendo Karr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#50 - 2013-06-19 16:44:34 UTC
click the orange nodes when all else fails. restoration nodes dont effect the core so once its lost health its gone
Din Chao
#51 - 2013-06-19 16:45:01 UTC
It's almost as if a bunch of players have been conditioned to believe that if they complete task A they WILL ABSOLUTELY receive payment B (with bonus C if they complete it in a certain amount of time.)

Oh well, that path still exists...
Sex Slave Girl
Absolute Order XVIII
Absolute Will
#52 - 2013-06-19 17:02:00 UTC
Din Chao wrote:
Also, based on your screen shot, you don't have 5 Restoration Nodes, you have 5 Virus Suppressors.

You also have 3 waiting Data Caches with possible Utilities.

You haven't lost yet, you've only conceded defeat.


Spoiler, the lower right one is a restorative node. I just closed the window after that.



Basicly, if you release a sudoku puzzle magazines, we expect we can solve all the puzzles in it. Even the hardcore ones.
If you put 10% of sudoku puzzles to be impossible to solve, then it just kills the fun.

Here another one: http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/2752/s84b.jpg

How to solve that one?
Fa Xian
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2013-06-19 17:07:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Fa Xian
Sex Slave Girl wrote:
How to solve that one?


Here's the basic hacking game strategy. Following this will get you as far as you possibly can get most of the time.

Before each click, go through the steps below in order;

1) If you have a Kernel Rot utility and see a defense subsystem with coherence over your strength obstructing other nodes, use it on that node.
2) If you see a defensive subsystem you can destroy in one click, click it.
3) If you have Self Repair, click it.
4) If a System Core is visible, click it. Use a Polymorphic Shield if you have one first.
5) If a Restoration Node is visible, click it.
6) If a utility is available and you have room, pick it up.
7) If a Virus Suppressor is visible, click it. Use a Polymorphic Shield if you have one first.
8) Click the unexplored node with the largest number of inaccessible nodes adjacent to it.
9) If a Data Cache is visible, click it.
10) If a Firewall is visible, click it. Use a Polymorphic Shield if you have one first.
11) If an Anti-Virus is visible, click it. Use a Polymorphic Shield if you have one first.

According to this strategy, you're at step 7 - click a Virus Suppressor. But, you shouldn't be in this state according to the strategy... you should have killed the first Virus Suppressor you uncovered, not have this many showing.

Remember, I'm not guaranteeing you will win all cans with this script, only that you'll do as good as you can do.
Sex Slave Girl
Absolute Order XVIII
Absolute Will
#54 - 2013-06-19 17:12:53 UTC
Fa Xian wrote:
Sex Slave Girl wrote:
How to solve that one?


Here's the basic hacking game strategy. Following this will get you as far as you possibly can get most of the time.

Before each click, go through the steps below in order;

1) If you have a Kernel Rot utility and see a defense subsystem with coherence over your strength obstructing other nodes, use it on that node.
2) If you see a defensive subsystem you can destroy in one click, click it.
3) If you have Self Repair, click it.
4) If a System Core is visible, click it. Use a Polymorphic Shield if you have one first.
5) If a Restoration Node is visible, click it.
6) If a utility is available and you have room, pick it up.
7) If a Virus Suppressor is visible, click it. Use a Polymorphic Shield if you have one first.
8) Click the unexplored node with the largest number of inaccessible nodes adjacent to it.
9) If a Data Cache is visible, click it.
10) If a Defense Subsystem is visible, click it. Use a Polymorphic Shield if you have one first.
11) If an Anti-Virus is visible, click it. Use a Polymorphic Shield if you have one first.

According to this strategy, you're at step 7 - click a Virus Suppressor. But, you shouldn't be in this state according to the strategy... you should have killed the first Virus Suppressor you uncovered, not have this many showing.

Remember, I'm not guaranteeing you will win all cans with this script, only that you'll do as good as you can do.



How does this work if there are over 5 Restoration Nodes or over 5 Suppressors when you don't get enough self repair and other buff tools. It's kinda screwed up if you find 2 or 3 of them in a row.

I know you'll need to kill the Restoration Node asap, but the chances of finding more of them is high. Making some node maps impossible to break.
Fa Xian
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2013-06-19 17:13:10 UTC
Fa Xian wrote:
But, you shouldn't be in this state according to the strategy... you should have killed the first Virus Suppressor you uncovered, not have this many showing.


The existence of Restoration and Virus Suppressors mean it is not a good strategy to click unexplored nodes and ignore these. Restorations have to be killed before other nodes show up. Suppressors cripple your ability to take on other nodes. Exploring further while these are up is too risky.

You can bypass and ignore Anti-Virus and Firewalls though.
Fa Xian
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2013-06-19 17:13:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Fa Xian
Ignore... double post.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2013-06-19 17:15:16 UTC
Rordan D'Kherr wrote:
Kult Altol wrote:
Wat


He is unable or unwilling to break the minigame and rants now. Might have something to do with fake boobs.


Nipples are triggering the wrong button, is my bet!

Don't ban me, bro!
Fa Xian
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2013-06-19 17:15:33 UTC
Sex Slave Girl wrote:
Making some node maps impossible to break.


Yes. Some are impossible. The strategy will just get you as far as you can most of the time.

With good luck, you can get farther than following the script. Take a chance. Break the script. Maybe it will pay off... or maybe you'll be sitting with 5 Restoration Nodes up and fail.
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#59 - 2013-06-19 17:19:03 UTC
are there any videos of how to do this properly?

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Fa Xian
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2013-06-19 17:21:22 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
are there any videos of how to do this properly?


My script? No. It's something you'll have to practice.