Player Features and Ideas Discussion

POS BOWLING!!

look at it this way. if the rorquals shields did NOT extend out, but DID improve with this core, then folks could warp to the rorqual, store their ships inside and jump in their combat ships sitting right beside the rorquals.

if we have a larger bay, we could put 15-20 hulks in there and have 15-20 combat ships standing by. we miners/pvpers could defend ourselves.
the rorqual could stay in deployed mode and have a tough defense. it would have an offense if we added more band width and kept the 20% bonus.
give it super cap shields, but carrier armor. give it super cap drone band width (at least enough for 10 sentries).
drop the requirements for deployment for boost.
give it a jump portal generator for industrial only.

itll defend itself.
immune to EWAR would be a good start too.

Has someone compared the Rorqual to a supercarrier (mothership was a better term IMO, CCP) because that's basically what it is and suggested they should have a supercarrier tank and room for a flight of fighters yet?

Miners don't have PvP escorts and never will. Ever.

i suggested to make it have super cap shields.
i didnt think to call it a "mother ship" even though it essentially is/ could be.

we dont need fighters. sentries will do nicely. we will need increased drone control range to so hit those snipers..

Give them their normal shields, but add a stront bay to allow reinforced mode.

It needs to last 6 minutes of reinforced shielding. Specialized to remain active using this fuel while undeploying and jumping.

5 minutes to undeploy, and the remaining minute to finish jump prep.

As a non PvP ship, and unique just like it's special tractor beams, this vessel cannot be blocked from jump drive use, (While the reinforced shield is up).

To kill it, they need to get through the shield.
They have no choice about reinforcing it, and by so doing they will free it to jump.
6 minutes on the clock, and 5 needed to undeploy under cover of this shield.

Worst thing an enemy can do? Not reinforce it, but pin it down and hope to drive the player crazy with a waiting game.
Risk of doing this? The player can manage to get allies up and ready to fight back before going crazy and rage quitting.

Net result? A fight happens.

With the current limitations, Rorquals are just multi-billion isk piñatas if you take them out of a shield.

Right now a Rorqual might as well be a POS module.

I like the idea of a shield with a reinforced timer. It protects the miners as well, but after reinforced mode is up, then what?
Without any additional mechanics, I'd simply log off one mining ship during the reinforced timer, log back in a pre-positioned cyno alt, and poof, Rorq cyno's out the moment the reinforced mode is up.
Adding a recharge time of sorts to the capacitor or whatnot to prevent this almost negates the use of the shield, and were back to the loot piñata.

One option for it would allow for it to retain it's value, be used in the same manner it currently is used, and allow for an off grid boosting change that wouldn't make it obsolete:
Make it a mobile refinery.

Not 25%, not 40%, but make it 50%, plus percentage added by the Mobile Industrial Refining skill, for a max of 95%.
It would need to be connected to a POS (if anything, the code would just need to detect that the Rorqual is inside a POS shield), and in place of the link modules, it would have a secondary type of Industrial Core that does refining.
Play with the numbers on things like ore capacity vs. mineral capacity etc. Let it require BPO's for refining ore, just like there are BPO's for compressing ore. Set it up so that the pilot needs to choose to do one or the other, but leave the refine rate at a high rate, not this refining array crap we have now. Heck, forget the POS part, give it the shield suggested above, and make that shield activation a requirement for using the refining module (thus the ship can only refine at the belt, adding some vulnerability, but some reward as well).

This would bring a high level of value to the Rorqual, and open up a lot of opportunity in various parts of low, null, and wh.

something tells me you do not own a rorqual.
something tells me you are trolling.

but, incase you arent...
rorquals are not fine. they serve no purpose other than sitting in a pos and compressing ore. an orca gives better bonuses unless you spend money on heavy water and trap yourself for 5 minutes.
the game is ever evolving or we would not have expansions. their role can be better defined, better enhanced to help.
back in 05-06, i can remember having fleets of mining vessels because of an alliance mining op. we dont have that anymore, miners are really being scoffed at.

a few minor changes to the rorqual would GREATLY increase game play.

lemme ask you, how many rorqual kills do u have? i would assume non because they are either in station, or at the pos. but if we added a way for them to boost well without deployment, not only jump to cyno's but open a mining portal for miners (just like blops) and send fleets out in space, i guarantee u will see them in the belts, or everywhere.
no kills if they are in the pos, crafty peeps will be able to kill them once they are more mobile.

The three main problems as I see them:
1 - Links are coming on-grid and mining is harder hit than most due to the nature of the work and relative cost of bonuses.
2 - Mining is so tedious that it has been (is?) plagued by botting, thus making links practically mandatory to shorten time spent mining.
3 - Rorqual is expensive, as unwieldy as an arthritic snail and doesn't do much of anything other than **** bricks and provide bonuses.

Ideas to solve above:
1. Remove sieging requirement for using Rorqual for links and give Orca's a hefty mobility buff, primarily in agility (align) to give players two distinct options (dependent on hostility of terrain).

2. Get on with the ideas for ring mining and remaking belts in general to better 'simulate reality, as in 1-2 system covering belts rather than random in space (see other thread).

3. - Let the sieged Rorqual effectively become a medium/large POS, complete with shield and ability to fit additional modules.
Indy SMA and compression facilities considered to be pre-deployed/onlined and links fully operational with or without pilot (consider getting rid of mindlink and rolling it into bonuses).
- Upon destruction or unsieging of Rorqual, any deployed POS modules are instantly destroyed and contents scattered in similar way as hacked containers but with longer life.
- Let it be Ores first attempt/prototype of a proper nomad/hive ship developed for (and with) the Thukker .. start work on said ship to be deployed at CCPs pleasure.

There, that should give CCP something to do

If the bubble idea were implemented, would the fuel consumption of the Indy core remain the same and would the fuel bay remain the same as well?

While I like the idea of a nomadic corp/alliance, I think that it shouldn't center itself around a specific ship (which can be controlled by a player), but rather a mobile structure (I hear these ideas for jump-capable POS all the time during CSM's). I think the rorqual would hold a position to support operations away from friendly space (ops lasting hours) where a POS could support more long term (days to weeks) operations even farther.

you want a bit too much i think

@Kraal Utrecht if the Rorqual became a super (unable to dock) and had a very large mineral bay in addition to its ore bay I could understand this refinery tool being necessary.