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Gate camps need to be looked at....
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Theroine
Pew Pew Pirates
#21 - 2013-06-18 04:48:18 UTC
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#22 - 2013-06-18 08:45:02 UTC
Hellen Kurvora wrote:
Before I begin, I am an avid hardcore PVP player, and I am not a carebear, but there is genuinly a problem that needs to be looked at..... Insta lock gate camps.


tldr; I got killed by a decent gate camp and .... *snif* .... it's just NOT FAIR!

... or that's how I read it.

Personally I thank the Gods of PVP when people are stupid enough to sit around on a gate and wait to die. It's so easy to find them.... put one cyno ship through the gate... get aggro and then dump a load of fire and brimstone on their parade. Your problem isn't the gate camp. Your problem is that you can't find 10 or 20 guys of your own to give them a "wuppen"!

My old Kung-fu teacher said something to me once that's kind of relevant here. He said, "the best block is to stay just out of range..... you're only IN range when you attack".

In terms of EVE it means "go around, not through". It sounds like you're having the same problem over and over again in a certain system. just add it to your avoid list.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#23 - 2013-06-18 09:21:04 UTC
maybe you are just doing something wrong?
Mra Rednu
Vanishing Point.
#24 - 2013-06-18 09:52:01 UTC
Perkin Warbeck wrote:
For some reason the words intel and scouting sprang to mind while reading this post. Best defence against insta-lock gate camps is not to be there in the first place.


Shh, she's an avid pvp'er.
Major Killz
inglorious bastards.
#25 - 2013-06-18 10:39:05 UTC
I also believe "gate camping" should be made difficult. I've always been an advocate for all star gates being constellation size gates. Which would be a hard counter to gate camps but not remove that game-play completely.

[u]Ich bin ein Pirat ！[/u]
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-06-18 11:35:56 UTC
its not even instalock any more.

roll back a few years when the servers worked different you could get locked and popped much faster.

ccp added some sort of longer server tick or additional handshake, theres now a short mandatory delay.

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Feffri
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#27 - 2013-06-18 12:13:20 UTC
Are you ******* serious?! I'm assuming this is a troll... however if it is not, then the only problem is you and all the others that are in caldari fw and live in high sec.

this is how you solve your problem, don't ******* live in high sec! I applaud the gate campers for making it so guys like this can't be lazy douches and just park all their **** in nourv. If you want to pvp in low sec then go live in low sec. You'll find it much easier to move around.

"oh it will take me forever to move all my stuff" three words black frog logistics and about 50 mil.

Also thank you for reminding me that leaving caldari fw was the best decision i ever made.
Dzajic
#28 - 2013-06-18 13:01:51 UTC
Working as intended. You can't be expected to play EVE without at least one true alt. Due to nature of instalocking camps it is however preferable to use noob alt on your alt so you don't lose anything when they exterminate the "scout".

Solutions are: watch intel channels, scout, take a different route even if its 3x longer.
Max Godsnottlingson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2013-06-18 13:20:46 UTC
The solo carbear approach to this problem
1. pull up map
2. hit Pilots active and currently in space
3. hit ships killed in the last hour
4. think "Hmm, that system in low sec that I need to pass through. A lot of bodies in system, a lot of ships killed in the last hour. I'll go another way, or go another time, or both"

Like anything in Eve it is certainly not 100% foolproof but it does lower the risk
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#30 - 2013-06-18 13:25:43 UTC
Dzajic wrote:


Solutions are: watch intel channels, scout, take a different route even if its 3x longer.


I would also like to add to this, that not having a scout is no excuse.... A suicide scout with an alpha clone can be very effective if don't have any other options. It allows to stick your proboscis into the next system along the way for zero cost if he dies. This is especially effective in low-sec where you can dock every few jumps and move your medical clone.

Just saying.


Max Godsnottlingson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2013-06-18 14:27:41 UTC
Dzajic wrote:
Working as intended. You can't be expected to play EVE without at least one true alt. Due to nature of instalocking camps it is however preferable to use noob alt on your alt so you don't lose anything when they exterminate the "scout".

Solutions are: watch intel channels, scout, take a different route even if its 3x longer.


This is the big problem though Dzajic. People don't want to take the longer, have to work for it option.

Back in the early days of Eve one Corp worked out that there was a bottleneck in Caldari space. There was one system which everybody had t pass through to access most of Caldari Space. This was back when the difference between high and low sec was much smaller then it is now.

Anyway, as a quick fix, CCP put a second rout in. But people still cried because they had to go 20 jumps rather then the 4 or 5 that took them through the blockaided system. And so started the slippery slide into the over complicated system that we have now and which has driven high and low sec appart
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-06-18 16:10:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Muad 'dib
best method, jump in to see if there are pirates on the gate in that system if there are pirates dont jump in.

simples.

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Raptors Mole
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-06-18 17:14:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Raptors Mole
C'mon guys, give the OP a break.

I jumped into Tama and lost my Frig and Pod immediately. It happens.

I'd link the lossmail if I could be bothered, but you all know what a Frig lossmail looks like.

But what I can't do is link all the other lossmails I have at the same camp. Cos there aren't any.

While I am not a member of the intelligensia, I am not buttfuck stupid.

and went around.
JAF Anders
Adenosine Inhibition
The Chicken Coop
#34 - 2013-06-18 18:08:32 UTC
Hellen Kurvora wrote:
Other then avoid low sec all together there is really nothing to do to defend yourself.


If it's so easy to get 10-20 guys to camp, surely, for a hardcore PvPer such as yourself, it must be just as easy to get as many guys and go clean them out.

The pursuit of excellence and stabbed plexing alts.
Vyktor Abyss
Abyss Research
#35 - 2013-06-18 18:42:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Vyktor Abyss
You know what, I agree with the OP despite it being a whine and trolling thread.

I have no issue with RSB and insta-lock.... The issue I have is with it being instalock T3 cruisers.

My opinion: It should be the remit of interceptors/frigates only to "instalock", everything else should take longer.
neo smith
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2013-06-18 19:19:04 UTC  |  Edited by: neo smith
i once lost a cov'ops plus 500 mill pod to a gate camp (had been through many time before. but had been drinking )

came through the system a few days later got talking to the pie who took my pod. after a chat he thanked me for the km/isk ratio and also said he felt kinda bad as i seemed an ok person.
my reply was "its cool im an explorer doing my thing you a pie doing yours" altho i havnt been through the system in a while the last few times i had the pie where cool with me. without pie/gatecamps this game would be boring/easy


and thats whats great about this game you can do what you want. just be smart/sober about it and enjoy

if not please send all isk to neo before you quit thx
Joan Greywind
The Lazy Crabs
#37 - 2013-06-19 07:14:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Joan Greywind
I think the op is right, all fighting in EVE should be fair. There should be also a rule that doesn't let you engage when you outnumber or outclass the opponent. I think all fighting in EVE should be done arena style like in wow, and there shouldn't be any non-consensual pvp. That would make EVE a much better game. I mean this game is about honor and skill like jousting, and not all about wars, getting the advantage and back stabbing everyone in sight, No No EVE is not a cold hard universe, it is a game of ponies and friendship.

FYI gatecamps have already been nerfed, remote sensor boosters nerf, and you can't get "insta" locked anymore. As already mentioned in the thread there are many ways to avoid/circumvent a gate camp, I'll list some again so i don't take time from your avid pvping:

1-MWD-cloak trick: if you do it right and unless the campers are really lucky, it's very hard to get caught.

2- Use warp core stabs yay

3- If you don't have an alt, you can use the map intel which tells you everything about the activity in the system, and very easy to use.

4- If you think it is too easy you can try to get 10 man t1 cruiser gang and obliterate them. insta lock gate camps usually dont have tank and emphasize dps. Yay for ezy kills, but oh right maybe you don't consider it "fair" pvp.

5- Just take another route

6- Join a nullsec alliances and just go on fleet ops, you will have a lot of "avid" pvp. On second thought you might moan about bombers and smartbombing bs.

If all the above don't work for you, I know multiple games where you can be "avid" at, such as farmville.

As I said most of these solutions were already mentioned in the thread, but now they are summarized in one.
Disastro
Wrecking Shots
#38 - 2013-06-19 11:42:22 UTC
Hellen Kurvora wrote:
Perkin Warbeck wrote:
For some reason the words intel and scouting sprang to mind while reading this post. Best defence against insta-lock gate camps is not to be there in the first place.


Then you didnt bother to read my post because I covered both of those and how intel is not always accurate or available. Not to mention waiting for intel before every jump in low sec will take a loooong time to get anywhere.


There are certain systems in Eve which virtually everyone knows are pirate gate camped virtually all of the time. Tama is certainly one of those. I suspect the last guy was suggesting that you put a scout alt in of your own before taking in something expensive. This would save you the losses. If you have no alt then scout it with your pod.

While low sec gate camps can have fast lock time virtually none are fast enough to grab your pod before it warps. Or even most frigates. Or t3 ships with cloaky configurations.
Onomerous
Caldari Black Hand
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#39 - 2013-06-19 12:20:04 UTC
Ok, I did it. You said gate camps need to be looked at. I did that last night. Didn't seem to be all that big of a deal. What was the question?
Cyrus Alabel
Azure Wrath
#40 - 2013-06-19 14:58:12 UTC
Deacon Abox wrote:
Tips hat to insta-locking gate-camping pirates that cull the herd of ******** squids.


Godspeed, noble pirates. May your farmer kills never wane.