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Evolution1979
Hull Down Inc.
#101 - 2013-06-18 11:47:27 UTC
Nexeroff Severasse wrote:
Tightass Trixie wrote:
searching...searching...where is it????

yep, right there at about post #38 is where this thread turned really creepy. up until that point I was solidly in the camp of the anti-botters. 'proof' was lightweight, but a good argument was shaped with convincing words and enough hints of juicy evidence to keep me engaged.

and then there was post #38, where this thread falls off a cliff and we start down a path of RL details, lots of oversharing, and a questionable amount of fixation on the account structures, RL experience, and RL family situations.

at some point, nex, you just gotta stop selling and let the buyers make a choice. selling too hard will drive away customers faster than you can imagine.

good job with the investigation and initial lay of the land - but to save yourself from this death-spiral I'd suggest buying whatever the hell you need to complete that COSMOS mission off the market/contracts and moving on with your life. You've made a point early in this thread and I thought you made it well........... that point was long ago.

good luck


since I enjoy writing, as might be painfully obvious in my long winded posts, I have enjoyed further this thread in the fact that it has allowed me to flex my writing muscle and the creative part of my brain.


You enjoy writing?
Ah man........here i was thinking you were ragewriting....
This sentence took all the fun out of it Sad
Nexeroff Severasse
Asymmetrical Explorations
#102 - 2013-06-18 12:08:51 UTC
Evolution1979 wrote:

You enjoy writing?
Ah man........here i was thinking you were ragewriting....
This sentence took all the fun out of it Sad


You honestly don't realize what is going on do you?

:::sigh:::
Evolution1979
Hull Down Inc.
#103 - 2013-06-18 13:01:14 UTC
Nexeroff Severasse wrote:
Evolution1979 wrote:

You enjoy writing?
Ah man........here i was thinking you were ragewriting....
This sentence took all the fun out of it Sad


You honestly don't realize what is going on do you?

:::sigh:::

For a man who enjoyes writing this is a pretty short wall of text Shocked
Nexeroff Severasse
Asymmetrical Explorations
#104 - 2013-06-18 13:09:34 UTC
You don't inspire me...

If you want a good verbal lashing, if you truly are the masochist you seem to be, you will do or say something to illicit a response.

But until then butterfly, you are just, well, plain old ordinary old fashioned... Boring...
Evolution1979
Hull Down Inc.
#105 - 2013-06-18 14:36:15 UTC
Nexeroff Severasse wrote:
You don't inspire me...

If you want a good verbal lashing, if you truly are the masochist you seem to be, you will do or say something to illicit a response.

But until then butterfly, you are just, well, plain old ordinary old fashioned... Boring...


I have become boring to you?
Dammit i knew i should have upped my game.
Maybe wear some hotpants and grow a mustache to get you going again will help?
If not, i will have no choice, but to look for another thread to spam win nonsense.
I just have a last question though.
Did Freya stop logging in? wich could be an indication that ccp banned him, or he still logs in, but wasnt a botter and ccp decided he isnt a botter so no banhammer?
Julius Priscus
#106 - 2013-06-18 14:36:26 UTC
bored already from this thread.
Nexeroff Severasse
Asymmetrical Explorations
#107 - 2013-06-18 15:18:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Nexeroff Severasse
Evolution1979 wrote:
[I just have a last question though.
Did Freya stop logging in? wich could be an indication that ccp banned him, or he still logs in, but wasnt a botter and ccp decided he isnt a botter so no banhammer?


To her credit I have not seen, nor has anyone told me that she is still botting the complex. I would like to believe this is of her own accord and not because she had any of her toons banned.

It is also my understand that she alone, the toon she controls, and always has controlled, that I have never seen her botting with, her Feya toon, is in the complex on a daily or regular basis, but this was not the complaint. The complaint were her bots, which it seems she stopped using once this thread started to get the attention it did.

It was never my intention, and I hope it wasn't the OPs, nor anyone else that posted about her botting, to get her banned, but to get her to stop. That is why I invited her to read this thread, so she would understand that people are talking, and not going to put up with it. Reporting her botting was only to get her to stop doing so. Everything I have done up to this point has been in an attempt to get her to stop. Now that she has, the plex is a nice place to visit you actually have a chance and running into NPCs and the structure that drops mods, and people can now complete there COSMOS without issue.

As fun and interesting as this thread has been, I have other pressing matters, such as the game, and a baby crow that I am hand raising and trying to train not to mention getting myself back into working order. I'll come back and read the posts from time to time if there are any, but I'm not going to devote much more time to writing dribble, because really that's all it is.

Good luck everyone and thanks for the laughs, and you be careful butterfly, there are mean people in space that will take advantage of you if you allow them to.
Intar Medris
KarmaFleet University
#108 - 2013-06-18 16:31:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Intar Medris
Nexeroff Severasse wrote:
Feya Kortimna wrote:
Funguy2 wrote:
Na mate, not Nex's alt. Me and lord independently found the site I linked and both of us decided to check **** out. Only, unlike lord, I cant be asked to fly my main 20 jumps for lols. Much better to let someone else do the heavy lifting while I hang around and see if the loot is worth the effort.

Also, never seen a DED complex before. Severely underwhelmed. A drake seems to be able to do it with a chance to get a 200mil drop.


Be careful mate, if Nexeroff see you a lot around here you will be accused of being a robot.
fly safe.


Feya, by your actions you create your own reputation!

I have stated clearly without pretending anything what you are doing, how you do it, the OP has stated your names that you use in the plex while you bot, others have chimed in and said their peace. The game is up, everyone who has seen you before this thread started knows you are botting this complex, they know it, you cannot escape this fact..

And they are not me, for some reason you think everyone who can see what you are doing is me.

You have already slipped up and admitted a lot, and each time you comment on this thread you expose yourself more. I can bring attention to these points over and over but it's so brutally obvious that I don't really think there is a need anymore.

For whatever reason you dislike me so much in fact, are prejudiced against me to such a degree that you have placed a huge bounty on me, over 370 million, while this in itself does not affect nor bother me, it obviously is meaningful to you. Those of us that belong to a private chat channel, that make this area our home, talk about you when we see you, we warn each other when you are botting the plex, and some have been watching you commit this scam for years, not months but years.

So you can continue to claim that everyone who posts information against you in this thread is me, or you can decide that in fact people are sick of your little games, and on to your botting and choose to stop, like you have the past several days since this thread has been in existence. You can see what is going on here plain as day, right in your face. Just stop the botting and only use toons you are actually controlling.

I do have to admit, that for the most part, so far as I know and has been discussed on our chat channel, it doesn't look like you have been botting as of late, a little with Spider Fish, but not like you were. This is a good start in the right direction. Now all you have to do is a little bit more, stop it totally, considering you have been doing it for "years" don't you think it's time to stop?


Dude you have issues. Like maybe it is time to go see a shrink.

I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen.
Nexeroff Severasse
Asymmetrical Explorations
#109 - 2013-06-18 17:03:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Nexeroff Severasse
Intar Medris wrote:
Dude you have issues. Like maybe it is time to go see a shrink.


If you are going to spend the time to insult someone, it might be a good idea to point out which person you quoted as being the one you are insulting.

And by "shrink" do you mean a psychiatrist or a psychologist, because you more often "see" a psychologist and are prescribed medication by a psychiatrist who ascribes your behavior to any number of invented imbalances of the brain.

And aren't you just a little bit "Johnny come Lately"? I mean this thread is done and over with, the party is over so to speak, we went waaaay beyond the pale and finished with all this already.

Next time come to the party earlier and you won't look like you are trying so hard to troll a post that's just all trolled out.
Evolution1979
Hull Down Inc.
#110 - 2013-06-18 21:08:39 UTC
Nexeroff Severasse wrote:
Intar Medris wrote:
Dude you have issues. Like maybe it is time to go see a shrink.


If you are going to spend the time to insult someone, it might be a good idea to point out which person you quoted as being the one you are insulting.

And by "shrink" do you mean a psychiatrist or a psychologist, because you more often "see" a psychologist and are prescribed medication by a psychiatrist who ascribes your behavior to any number of invented imbalances of the brain.

And aren't you just a little bit "Johnny come Lately"? I mean this thread is done and over with, the party is over so to speak, we went waaaay beyond the pale and finished with all this already.

Next time come to the party earlier and you won't look like you are trying so hard to troll a post that's just all trolled out.


Agreed, nothing to see here anymore Big smile
Nexeroff Severasse
Asymmetrical Explorations
#111 - 2013-06-19 22:43:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Nexeroff Severasse
The saga continues...

I thought it was over, I thought Feya learned and stopped. But she hasn't.

She is now using other toons in a different corp she has, 3 of her accounts/toons that she bots with belong to it.

The corp is called "Noob Helpers" ticker = "NHLP"

http://evewho.com/corp/Noob+Helpers

They have no kills, only losses

http://eve-kill.net/?a=corp_detail&crp_external_id=746319634

These are the toons showing on this corp, on the link above

BrianGold

http://evewho.com/pilot/BrainGold

Lion Fish

Here is an example of Feya using Lion Fish to purchase another toon, "Karin Krash" from the Character Bazaar, Karin Krash is a member of her other corp Meneys Prospectors. Notice that Feya's, using Lion Fish to purchase the toon with, seemingly speaks perfect English when it comes to buying toons.

http://eve-search.com/thread/525489-0/page/1#2

http://evewho.com/pilot/lion+fish

Lion Fish has also been killed three times

http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_external_id=727715435




Karin Krash

Lion Fish is currently the CEO of Noob Helpers Karin Krash is currently a member of Menceys Prospectors

http://evewho.com/pilot/Karin+Krash

And has also been killed once

http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_external_id=670589431



That proves the connection between the two corps, and this after I noticed that the toons the Noob Helpers corp were botting the plex.

If we look at the toons in Menceys Prospectors corp this is what we get.

Melitz Bowyer

Purchased off the Character Bazaar here

http://eve-search.com/thread/715844-0/page/1#9

The toon who purchased this toon triusad, also doesn't seem to have any issues speaking English

Here is triusad's bio, notice he also belongs to Menceys Prospectors

jarlen

http://evewho.com/pilot/jarlen

which is also in menceys prospectors was purchased in the character bazaar here

http://eve-search.com/thread/497618-0/page/1#4

Belonged to the corp Faycan Explorers,

http://evewho.com/corp/Faycan+Explorers

Which suffered 4 losses

http://eve-kill.net/?a=corp_detail&crp_external_id=928453505

Spider Fish, which belongs to Menceys Prospectors also used to belong to Faycan Explorers.

http://evewho.com/pilot/Spider+Fish

Going back to jarlen though, this toon also belonged to the corp Princeps Corp

http://evewho.com/corp/Princeps+Corp

As well as triusad who also now belongs to Menceys Prospectors but belonged to Princeps Corp prior

http://evewho.com/pilot/triusad

As well as megri

http://evewho.com/pilot/Megri

Who not only currently belongs to Menceys Prospectors but also used to belong to Princeps and Faycan Explorers.

The list goes on and on, and if you spend the time checking each character, search the bazaar for them, you find endless stringers of character purchases with characters leaving corps, the corps being abandoned, and the corps always having negative losses.

There is a pattern here. I suspect that some of the characters that made up the older corps that whoever is playing the "Feya" toon abandoned, were abandoned because the toons were reported for botting, and she needed to move them to new corps.

The only people who have belonged to the corps that these toons used to belong to, that also belonged to the corps, are only Feya's toons. And many have been seen bottim the plex this thread is about.

There is another corp as well that I suspect being Feya's, but I have no links nor proof. If I did I would post that as well, but this thread could literally go on and on and on, I didn't post all the connections I found, I didn't post all the character purchases, I didn't post a lot of things because frankly, this would have been several walls of text and my point would most likely be lost amongst a string of convoluted connections spanning years or time.

For me, this shows a very clear pattern. Because I have seen these toons botting the plex relentlessly, and because there are new ones that belong to another corp which Feya also owns through a toons she purchased, I believe that she has been doing this for years, and getting away with it because of her convoluted corporate history and the fact she purchases the toons as vets rather than noobs.

I am going to be handing this all over to CCP, in the hopes that they also will see the history behind these toons, and the ones they were connected with through her corps that have been banned and no longer exist. By putting all these puzzle pieces together, I believe that this, along with actually seeing the bots myself, taking video of the patterns they always use, and all the other garbage I have found or collected, I hope CCP does something about this botting once and for all.

If anyone has any pointers, or information, anything at all to stop this person from botting, please let me know...
Chane Morgann
Fuzz Industries
#112 - 2013-06-19 23:58:09 UTC
mencys prospectors has wardeced me again if there is anyone with a corp that would like to assist, I will accept all assists. Ticker is NCOTF.
Feya Kortimna
Menceys Prospectors
T E R C I O S
#113 - 2013-06-20 00:50:40 UTC
Wow some of these and had forgotten, I note the story, it seems you've worked hard lately, but there are some errors, purchases have been more or less well, all within the law, have I ever killed, and I killed some time ... so is the game, which I've never done is invent my competitors are bots, the players I respect them and my dealings with them is in the game, I had never seen a game so dirty on his part. I hope CCP will believe him because the only way to get rid of me, I'll be there day after day. and something you are right, wardec is useless to you, because you leave the corp and mercenaries put in your place. Only your cowardice is bigger than your lies. Keep hiding behind that I still believe, that the more bored you cry more. Do not bother with your emails insult me ​​more, because I've already blocked, I do not read your nonsense. I hope this is my last post, do not cry and enjoy the game.
Nexeroff Severasse
Asymmetrical Explorations
#114 - 2013-06-20 05:55:51 UTC
Feya Kortimna wrote:
Wow some of these and had forgotten, I note the story, it seems you've worked hard lately, but there are some errors, purchases have been more or less well, all within the law, have I ever killed, and I killed some time ... so is the game, which I've never done is invent my competitors are bots, the players I respect them and my dealings with them is in the game, I had never seen a game so dirty on his part. I hope CCP will believe him because the only way to get rid of me, I'll be there day after day. and something you are right, wardec is useless to you, because you leave the corp and mercenaries put in your place. Only your cowardice is bigger than your lies. Keep hiding behind that I still believe, that the more bored you cry more. Do not bother with your emails insult me ​​more, because I've already blocked, I do not read your nonsense. I hope this is my last post, do not cry and enjoy the game.


Instead of putting your post through a translator prior to posting here, why not simply just post with the same command of English you have, as when you purchase your toons.

Your lies are stacked upon themselves so many levels, that to unravel them, all your toon connections, purchases, losses, on and on and on is a game in itself.

I have no idea why you are doing what you are doing, but all anyone else has to do is this.

Spend time in the plex and watch your toons behavior.

Check your history, your losses and the fact you have no tone win during the time you have owned your toons, ever, in all your toons I have looked at.

Talk with other people who also have interacted with you and have also come to the same conclusion.

It's easy, so easy to see what you are doing, you are not clever yet you truly believe in your warped reality that you have outsmarted all the people you come into contact with, and the people posting on this thread. I will continue reporting you, and exposing you for as long as you choose to conduct yourself as a bot, using bots, in anywhere I am playing this game. Bitching about it and claiming you are not while trying to clear your name here or otherwise will only encourage me to continue because I know I am having some affect.

So far as leaving the corp is concerned, here are my reasons

First I have a lot of things I am building, and transporting, and in the same area of space you frequent. I need to sell the items, and don't want to be caught in a freighter full of high value mods while you take pop shots at me.

You have placed a huge bounty on me, and I want to keep it on my head, I think it bothers you to no end that I am flying around with 370 mil of your isk that you cannot get back.

Also, I got together with the person who started the corp before all this, and we decided that after we discovered you were trying to be clever botting in the plex again, that I would re-join the corp to see if you wardeced so he could look for people to join the war. And you did exactly what we thought you would do, you wardeced as soon as you had the chance, within minutes after me re-joining which leads me to believe you have been perving me, looking for any chance to exact a revenge, and now you have once again screwed yourself over.

You see Feya, when you think you are more clever than you actually are, you usually far over extend yourself and expose a weakness. Your weakness is pride, you allow it to dictate your actions, to control you so to speak. You truly believe that you know better than other people and believe you are more clever, when really you are just kind of ordinary and trite.

I have said it in this thread, and you can hold me to it. I don't care if you are a human being controlling a toon and working the complex. What I think is wrong, what CCP things is wrong, and the majority of people who play EVE and specially those you are affecting also believe is wrong, is your continued botting at the expense of the gameplay of other people.

Do you do this because you are too afraid or not able to do anything else? Is this the entire game for you?
Evolution1979
Hull Down Inc.
#115 - 2013-06-20 07:45:53 UTC
Chane Morgann wrote:
mencys prospectors has wardeced me again if there is anyone with a corp that would like to assist, I will accept all assists. Ticker is NCOTF.


I wonder why that is Roll
Chane Morgann
Fuzz Industries
#116 - 2013-06-20 15:18:57 UTC
Feya Kortimna wrote:
Wow some of these and had forgotten, I note the story, it seems you've worked hard lately, but there are some errors, purchases have been more or less well, all within the law, have I ever killed, and I killed some time ... so is the game, which I've never done is invent my competitors are bots, the players I respect them and my dealings with them is in the game, I had never seen a game so dirty on his part. I hope CCP will believe him because the only way to get rid of me, I'll be there day after day. and something you are right, wardec is useless to you, because you leave the corp and mercenaries put in your place. Only your cowardice is bigger than your lies. Keep hiding behind that I still believe, that the more bored you cry more. Do not bother with your emails insult me ​​more, because I've already blocked, I do not read your nonsense. I hope this is my last post, do not cry and enjoy the game.


What a joke, what a pathetic JOKE you are. You run from a toon that is barely months old, with one that is years of age? You are in an ishtar, and run from a noob. You wardec a corp that has two noob people in it? You use your characters in the noob helpers corp to bot the complex instead of the ones in the corp you wardeced with? I clicked the links and looked at your history you run from all your fights and have only died that's it you never win. I'm coming after you, and will kill you and any of your corp members you wardeced with with over and over you are easy to kill, you are too specialized and what the hell are you thinking running around in a talos, you think you are going to what? Is that your way of baiting? Get in close and you are done, paper thin tank with battleship weps? You're an idiot. A total idiot. You are the chicken. You are the one who wardecs and then runs and hides from everyone. You are the one who uses characters in another corp so you can continue using your bots.
Chane Morgann
Fuzz Industries
#117 - 2013-06-20 16:00:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Chane Morgann
For anyone interested Feya is using a heavy interdiction cruiser, a Devoter. When I get a chance I'll post the mods she's using, just need to finish scanning her down.

Anyone have a good ship/fit tactic against a Devoter? I'm all ears.

I'm also thinking of buying a good PvP character, anyone have suggestions? I don't really see me being able to take Feya out in the ships she is flying, just simply because I am not trained up to be able to, but I can even the field by doing what she did, purchasing a toon already set up for PvP and then taking her on with a character more able to PvP her.

Right now I am just playing around with her, she's trying to get a bead on me by side scanning, but she doesn't seem to be that good at it unless I am close to one of the sites in the system. Actually she seems to be just learning, I suspect she is just learning all of this, and feels safe because my character isn't trained up yet.
Spheranzinne
Color of Violence
#118 - 2013-06-20 20:18:04 UTC
Nice topic. Never saw farmers confronting bots before.
Evolution1979
Hull Down Inc.
#119 - 2013-06-20 20:44:56 UTC
Spheranzinne wrote:
Nice topic. Never saw farmers confronting bots before.

funny thing is, the bots are even replying and wardeccing the farmers Roll
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#120 - 2013-06-21 13:02:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Jowen Datloran
Certainly one of the weirder threads I have ever read.

While the stalking appears equivalent to some paranoid neighborhood watch, I must say, that claiming that ones children is helping you to farm a boring Eve-O complex over and over, is the most mind blowing lie I have read in a while. Unless these are not your biological children, and you have tied them down, of course.

Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook