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How to deal with this

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Max Godsnottlingson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-06-18 10:23:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Max Godsnottlingson
So, I log on over the weekend with a view to setting my high sec pos up for some building, and hoping that I can ninja a worm hole for some rare mins that I needed. However, I find that I have been wardecked.

No biggie, that's Eve. So I do the sensible thing, as I am in a solo Corp, I pull down the POS and stow it all away for the duration. For me it is a huge investment, which I don't want to loose. But after that, I get into the spirit of things, jump into a PvP (clean) friendly clone and invest a hundred mil or so in some cheap throwaway PvP ships. I am actually looking forward to a bit of PvP as a change, even though it will probably end in me getting my as.... botty handed to me.

The problem is, as soon as the war goes guns live, the whole of the 12 man Corp that wardecked me logged off and I have not seen hide nor hair from any of their members on-line since. I have 9 of them on my watch list, from doing an intel search of kill boards and the like, and so far I have not seen one log on.

My concern is, either they will keep the war running, and again not log on, or they will let me put my POS up again when it is safe to do so, then re-wardeck me.

So I guess, the question is, if they continue doing this, do I have any argument under harassment and griefing?

As I say, it's not the actual wardeck that I have an issue with, it's the wardeck then not logging on that is the issue.

Thanks for any thoughts and advice

MG
Jayka Kyer
Eternal Chaos.
#2 - 2013-06-18 10:40:49 UTC
Heres what i would do.

1, contact people they were previously at war with and see what they can tell you, find out if they were after a ransom and what tactics and ships they used.
( the reason they may be offline is they probably watch with a alt and log in only when they can quickly gank etc so you feel safe.)

2, look through their kill board history and try to pin point friends and alts that they have worked with and war dec them. (make sure their friends know the reason is because of the people that deced you.

3, watch to see if they dec anyone else, they may just be decing you to prove a point and have bigger fish to fry, if possible fly blackbird a rr ships if you can team up with others, you being a pain in the ass increases the chances your not worth the effort.


4, if all else fails join an alliance for a little bit or just go play in in low sec till it blows over.

5, forget about thoughts of griefing, complaing to ccp and play the game.


Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#3 - 2013-06-18 11:09:01 UTC
Set up the pos while they aren't on. But a **** ton of ECM and Guns on it. Energy Neuts and warp disruptors.

Don't let your POS run out of fuel and then let them die on your POS if they try anything.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#4 - 2013-06-18 11:20:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
Strange things happen in highsec wars. Sometimes people who only play on weekends declare war during the week so the target is good and complacent by the time they log in at the weekend. Other people declare war on folks with inactive shell corps specifically to try and get them to take down POS towers without a fight. There's also a lot of mercenary scamming going on at the moment (which is why you should use the MERC Contracts channel) where someone will pay money to a corp to declare a war, they declare a war and then don't do anything.

Or they may just be in a different timezone to you.

Look at their war history and see how many other active and finished wars they have and if those wars have kills in them, that might shed some light on what they are actually doing.
Max Godsnottlingson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-06-18 11:32:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Max Godsnottlingson
I have done most things people here have suggested. The Corp appears to only be able to kill POS arrays. They did appear to have some 'teeth' a couple of years ago, but any active ship killing players that they had have moved on.

They do have a long history of wars, though I seem to be the first this year. I did wonder if there might be a wardeck scam going on, as I was also contacted by a couple of Corps offering to take up the fight against them. I accepeted the offer of the Corp willing to take on the job for free, but another was requesting a fee.

I don't even think it's about ransoming or the like, again, they do seem to be tied in with player NPC corp characters. Though I live in High Sec I live in an as out of the way sytem as I can. and just prior to the war deck I had noticed a rapid increase in mining activity by a team appearing to be made up of characters in several different NPC corps.

To me it is just that one big annoying thing about Eve, that CCP appear to be happy to let players influence the game by not playing.

It's not a time zone thing either. I am retired in RL, so am on-line often, but also at different times, also from what little I have seen of them, I would guess they are either GMT ot US east coast.

Maybe I will just haul up sticks and head into low sec with my POS, I have done it before, and while it is harder work for a solo player, you do get a much better, and as daft as it may sound, a more honest class of 'bad guy!"
Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#6 - 2013-06-18 11:39:43 UTC
Depending on the size of the tower. A few guns and ECM will definitely deter them, it is much harder to kill a High Sec POS. With 11 people they would have a very hard time fighting it.

Many people are looking to get more targets, so they will offer assistance. But I believe after a certain point you have to pay something like 10 mil to get more allies on top. I would not pay anyone for assistance though, just accept people who are looking for targets.

A while back a guy war decced an indy corp my friend is apart of. Only reason he did so was because they had allowed the POS to run out of fuel. This guy spend hours with a stealth bomber slowly killing POS's to pad his killboard. Once guns and the shield were put on, he dropped the war dec.
Jayka Kyer
Eternal Chaos.
#7 - 2013-06-18 11:42:29 UTC
"To me it is just that one big annoying thing about Eve, that CCP appear to be happy to let players influence the game by not playing "

If their not online then they cant hurt you. Any influence is in your head or because it effects your afk play.
You choose to play in hi-sec, take the good with the bad.

Max Godsnottlingson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-06-18 11:43:44 UTC
Sean Parisi wrote:
Depending on the size of the tower. A few guns and ECM will definitely deter them, it is much harder to kill a High Sec POS. With 11 people they would have a very hard time fighting it.

Many people are looking to get more targets, so they will offer assistance. But I believe after a certain point you have to pay something like 10 mil to get more allies on top. I would not pay anyone for assistance though, just accept people who are looking for targets.

A while back a guy war decced an indy corp my friend is apart of. Only reason he did so was because they had allowed the POS to run out of fuel. This guy spend hours with a stealth bomber slowly killing POS's to pad his killboard. Once guns and the shield were put on, he dropped the war dec.


Ah well, I guess I know what to do with those 2 x 3 run small Dark Blood laser doobries that I have gathering dust in my station hanger
Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#9 - 2013-06-18 11:48:11 UTC
Max Godsnottlingson wrote:
Sean Parisi wrote:
Depending on the size of the tower. A few guns and ECM will definitely deter them, it is much harder to kill a High Sec POS. With 11 people they would have a very hard time fighting it.

Many people are looking to get more targets, so they will offer assistance. But I believe after a certain point you have to pay something like 10 mil to get more allies on top. I would not pay anyone for assistance though, just accept people who are looking for targets.

A while back a guy war decced an indy corp my friend is apart of. Only reason he did so was because they had allowed the POS to run out of fuel. This guy spend hours with a stealth bomber slowly killing POS's to pad his killboard. Once guns and the shield were put on, he dropped the war dec.


Ah well, I guess I know what to do with those 2 x 3 run small Dark Blood laser doobries that I have gathering dust in my station hanger


Don't forget ECM. 11 People have a hard enough time killing a POS, you throw the ECM in - they cannot bring logi effectively. This acts as a force multiplier and would force them to bring more people if they were going to try in any way to take down the POS.
Max Godsnottlingson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-06-18 11:48:45 UTC
Jayka Kyer wrote:
"To me it is just that one big annoying thing about Eve, that CCP appear to be happy to let players influence the game by not playing "

If their not online then they cant hurt you. Any influence is in your head or because it effects your afk play.
You choose to play in hi-sec, take the good with the bad.



I choose toplay where I want, and no you are wrong. This is probably the most hypocritical argument you see in Eve. Yes it's OK to screw over AFK miners/and ice miners, but you are not allowed to spoil my AFK PvP Meta gaming, such as this, or AFK cloaking.

As I say, I am not worried about the fight and the wardeck. That is Eve, what I am annoyed about is that

(a) My character training has been slowed because I am not going to risk the best part of 2 bils worth on implants
(b) My industrial game is hampered because I cannot do all that I want o do at my POS

It has nothing to do with where I am based, and all to do with **** poor hypocracy
Jayka Kyer
Eternal Chaos.
#11 - 2013-06-18 11:58:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Jayka Kyer
My alts tower is in a wormhole system, no war dec is effecting it.

Having a +4 implant set is about 80 mill isk , the difference in training time over a few weeks is probably less than a couple of hours, (edit - between +4s and +5s)

You telling people on a forums that you normally fly with bills of implants is way more risk than the chance of losing implants in hisec war if your not afk or super unlucky.
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#12 - 2013-06-18 12:09:05 UTC
Don't like 90% of wars in eve go on with 0 killz by both sides? Its just how it is. Maybe try living in a C1 wh for your pos with a static HS?
Max Godsnottlingson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2013-06-18 12:35:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Max Godsnottlingson
Jayka Kyer wrote:
My alts tower is in a wormhole system, no war dec is effecting it.

Having a +4 implant set is about 80 mill isk , the difference in training time over a few weeks is probably less than a couple of hours, (edit - between +4s and +5s)

You telling people on a forums that you normally fly with bills of implants is way more risk than the chance of losing implants in hisec war if your not afk or super unlucky.


Yes, but at least I will get killed and loose a few bills worth of implants and ship to people actually playing the game. Or at least playing the game in such a way that I can either have a go back myself, or talk to somebody like REPO Industries, or whoever the current good Mercs are and say, "Here is a few Bill. Hurt them".

As I am trying to say, and what you you are failing, or unwilling to understand is that; I choose to live in High Sec, the only way my POS can 'legally' be attacked is through a war deck. War decks happen, no worry, that's Eve.

But trying to annoy players by war decking, then hiding behind NPC Corp Alts which can't be touched is rubbish. All it does is cause bad feeling and makes player pirates look bad, when I know most are actually OK guys when you keep Eve in perspective
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-06-18 12:41:13 UTC
if you lose your pod in high sec you're doing something wrong
Max Godsnottlingson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-06-18 12:44:27 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
if you lose your pod in high sec you're doing something wrong


lol I am human, I make mistakes. On top of that I am an old fart so I make even more mistakes that are every body elses faultBig smile
Jayka Kyer
Eternal Chaos.
#16 - 2013-06-18 12:45:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Jayka Kyer
As i already said you cant get killed by people not playing.

Imagine this, instead of them not being online they live in an unknown wormhole system, and don't come out during the dec so you cant follow them in some how. how is this different to them not being online to you. You still would of removed clone and took down tower, you still cant get at them. That is my point, its your play style and views on whats happening not what the war targets are doing.


edit - think your post got edited there as i was writing mine but ill leave it that. best of luck with how you deal with it. o/
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#17 - 2013-06-18 12:47:20 UTC
maybe they wanted to take your tower down, but you took it already down, they have no reason to be online (alts) they can not easily quit war because it is not possible without surrending mechanism, so maybe they just wait that week goes on and wardec end when more payments are not made to continue.

If war continues more than week then something bigger may be behind it.
Max Godsnottlingson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2013-06-18 13:00:09 UTC
Jayka Kyer wrote:
As i already said you cant get killed by people not playing.

Imagine this, instead of them not being online they live in an unknown wormhole system, and don't come out during the dec so you cant follow them in some how. how is this different to them not being online to you. You still would of removed clone and took down tower, you still cant get at them. That is my point, its your play style and views on whats happening not what the war targets are doing.


No, the point is, even if they are hiding in a worm hole system, there is always that million to one chance that I get a direct link to them, and as anybody who has read Terry Pratchett knows, a million to one chance always succeeds.Big smile

But seriously, I can get my head around that. While my POS may be high sec based, I ninja gas and minerals out of WH/Null sec systems regularly. It is actually quite conceivable that some WH bod, mentions to his mates. "Say, remember that *Insert expletive of your choice* Godsnottlingson guy who was 'Pigging' us off the other day, well I have found a tower of his in High Sec, lets at least annoy the little s**t.

Again, that is Eve, I understand that. It’s the level of meta gaming, that means you can effect another player at no risk to yourself that is what is spoiling things for me. And this is the one thing, which to me at least, is becoming more prevalent in Eve and will probably in the end kill it for me.
Max Godsnottlingson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2013-06-18 13:03:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Max Godsnottlingson
Bad Messenger wrote:
maybe they wanted to take your tower down, but you took it already down, they have no reason to be online (alts) they can not easily quit war because it is not possible without surrending mechanism, so maybe they just wait that week goes on and wardec end when more payments are not made to continue.

If war continues more than week then something bigger may be behind it.


Actually, I think this is where I am getting annoyed with myself. Some of the guys have posted me some good ideas for POS defences, so now I am annoyed that I took the easy way out and 'up sticks', when I should have said "Bring it on!" as I strapped more ECM and gun onto the tower
Max Godsnottlingson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2013-06-18 14:00:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Max Godsnottlingson
Jayka Kyer wrote:
As i already said you cant get killed by people not playing.

Imagine this, instead of them not being online they live in an unknown wormhole system, and don't come out during the dec so you cant follow them in some how. how is this different to them not being online to you. You still would of removed clone and took down tower, you still cant get at them. That is my point, its your play style and views on whats happening not what the war targets are doing.


edit - think your post got edited there as i was writing mine but ill leave it that. best of luck with how you deal with it. o/


Actually I have got a better 'counter' to your argument. As I say, I am old and it takes time for the old grey matter to tick over.

We obviously disagree with me, so say for example; rather then reply here you think "This Godsnottlingson guy is an idiot who needs a lesson taught him." So then you promptly wardeck me from your worm hole before getting on with what you do.

Ok, I get the war deck notification. Think "Oh Poop!" and get on getting ready. Part of getting ready is trolling all of the kill boards trying to get as much info on you and your Corp, adding you to my 'watch list' and generally doing what I can do to get ready for some PvP.

Then today comes. All of my PI is brimming to overflowing, I realy need to get out and get them all emptied so I can set up fresh runs, but I see, you are on-line. OK, you are doing your thing in a WH. I don't know that, for all I know you could be lurking in a near by system in some insta locking snort guzzling gank machine that will kill my ship, kill my pod and probably take down half of the city that I live in too. I don't know, all I know is that you are on-line.

So, I jump in my Impel, throw on a couple of extra WCS for good luck then undock with heart in mouth, and having to put up with said heart missing a beat every time I have to jump through a gate. Or I ask a mate to run scout for me. I may be in a solo Corp, but having played Eve for many years now I do actually know a few people who will help me and who I help when the need arises.

Which ever way, I eventually dock up with a smug feeling of satisfaction at being able to 'do what I need' even while in a war state. So, the big difference is, you have actually added to my game play experience, (First by adding a lot of tension to what is frankly a routine game job, and next giving that feeling of satisfaction). You provided all of that, even if there was never an actual threat because you were busy in your WH and had no intentions of following up on the wardeck.

And that is the difference between if you war decked me and what this bunch of idiots have done, because, that is exactly what I did last night, and I didn't even bother throwing on any extra WCS because, yet again, nobody was on-line nor came on-line while I was active.
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