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Son Banned for Botting & All Tunes Used in Same House Banned Too

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Garon Gaulle
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-06-18 02:13:23 UTC
So I tried to login to Eve one day and all my accounts were banned.
I was unable to login to any account even to find out what was the problem for 24 days.
( I have 6 active accounts and my son had two)

So after a 24 day ban on ALL my accounts I petition CCP to find out why.
They tell me I was botting.

I talk to my son who lives in same house and found he was botting without me knowing.
I add this to my petition to CCP.

CCP refuses to acknowledge that they did any thing wrong:
ie... Email me first to find out WHO was botting at this location before doing a ban.

Not only that but now ALL my accounts can NEVER be sold or transferred.
My son no longer wants to play eve and I want to transfer his accounts to my accounts.

CCP has refused to allow this.

They say that per:
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/team-security-banning-bad-guys-and-also-bad-guys/

Specifically in this section:
"[...]characters who receive a warning such as this will have the characters locked to the account. This means that once you've received a warning for botting your character transfer privileges have been revoked in perpetuity."

I tell them that I received NO warning before being banned and then PERMA banned from character transfer.
They close the petition saying they will do nothing further.

I think this is a policy that is not consistent nor appropriate for my circumstances.
Xeraphi
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-06-18 02:18:33 UTC
You could just transfer his characters to new accounts and let your son keep playing, which would destroy the punishment he received.

As for you, getting 6 accounts banned is awful however it does show they take botting seriously. Again, if they unban you, what's to stop you from allowing your son access to your accounts?

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-06-18 02:19:52 UTC
Garon Gaulle wrote:
CCP refuses to acknowledge that they did any thing wrong:

Because they didn't.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-06-18 02:20:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
Garon Gaulle wrote:
CCP refuses to acknowledge that they did any thing wrong:
ie... Email me first to find out WHO was botting at this location before doing a ban.


They didn't do anything wrong. Do you really expect them to send you an email saying something like "Hey, we think you might be botting. Are you botting?". Of course not. Someone at your location was botting & they took the appropriate action according to their Terms of Service & the gaming industry standard. It's up to you to prove otherwise, which you can't because you've admitted to it.

Garon Gaulle wrote:
I tell them that I received NO warning before being banned and then PERMA banned from character transfer.
They close the petition saying they will do nothing further.


The warning you received was in the form of their two strike policy (oh, & the rules you can easily find regarding the matter). The first strike is in the form of a temporary suspension & is the warning. The second strike is a permanent ban.

Garon Gaulle wrote:
My son no longer wants to play eve


He wasn't playing EVE anyway, so I don't see how this changes anything.

Since you no longer need it, could I please make use of your stuff?

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Hessian Arcturus
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-06-18 02:23:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Hessian Arcturus
Tbh this will be locked...

Also, there is no proof that it was not you that was botting. All they know is that a bot was active from your location and that they cannot take your word that it wasn't you.

You say you did not do it, if you can find proof. Hard, solid proof. Then nothing to worry about. However, that said, yours and your sons word is not proof unfortunately.

It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-06-18 02:25:19 UTC
Almost forgot...

Another highsec bot down.

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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#7 - 2013-06-18 02:25:47 UTC
i recommend beating your child, in accordance to ancient and proven child upbringing methods, as punishment.
Hessian Arcturus
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-06-18 02:27:18 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Almost forgot...

Another highsec bot down.


Can't complain there...Big smile

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Aliventi
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#9 - 2013-06-18 02:28:50 UTC
Good. I hope you learned your lesson.
Garon Gaulle
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-06-18 02:37:54 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
[The second strike is a permanent ban.

There was no need for a "2nd strike" as no one was botting after the first incident.

That is my point of contention.

They say you would be warned before you would have a permaban on transferring any accounts.
But there was no 2nd botting act.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2013-06-18 02:40:23 UTC
Ah the old my son was botting defense.

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Ryuu Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-06-18 02:40:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Ryuu Shi
Good to hear another bot or two down! CCP didn't do anything wrong on their part as it was your sons fault end of story but I do feel for you about you losing your accounts transfer privileges etc over his selfish actions.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-06-18 02:46:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
Garon Gaulle wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
[The second strike is a permanent ban.

There was no need for a "2nd strike" as no one was botting after the first incident.

That is my point of contention.

They say you would be warned before you would have a permaban on transferring any accounts.
But there was no 2nd botting act.



No, it's pretty clear in the rules provided that an account which has received the first strike will be banned from performing character transfers. Your warning against further botting was the first strike, next time the solution will be permanent.

You had the first Dev Blog regarding the matter provided to you, now here are the fairly recent revisions: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/begun-the-bot-war-has/

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Rengerel en Distel
#14 - 2013-06-18 02:49:12 UTC
Garon Gaulle wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
[The second strike is a permanent ban.

There was no need for a "2nd strike" as no one was botting after the first incident.

That is my point of contention.

They say you would be warned before you would have a permaban on transferring any accounts.
But there was no 2nd botting act.



Quote:
Specifically in this section:
"[...]characters who receive a warning such as this will have the characters locked to the account. This means that once you've received a warning for botting your character transfer privileges have been revoked in perpetuity."


The "warning" was the ban. That ban revokes character transfer privileges. As a 2nd hit is a permaban, it should start to make sense when you think about it.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Ajunta Pal
Sith Wannabies Annonymous
#15 - 2013-06-18 02:50:33 UTC
If you are paying for your sons account, then it is your account not your sons, he was just using it. However if the accounts were on seperate payment methods/names then there is your proof that you weren't the one botting.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-06-18 02:55:50 UTC
Ajunta Pal wrote:
If you are paying for your sons account, then it is your account not your sons, he was just using it. However if the accounts were on seperate payment methods/names then there is your proof that you weren't the one botting.


Except for the part where all of those accounts were logging in from the same location.

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Mara Villoso
Long Jump.
#17 - 2013-06-18 03:05:56 UTC
If you were actually the parent, you wouldn't have posted. Cause you'd be embarassed that your son put one over on you. Grow a pair.
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#18 - 2013-06-18 03:06:31 UTC

If the story is 100% accurate, I think we all feel for you- especially if your son was doing this vile act while you were serving the saviour of high sec bumping miners.

That said, I don't think these types of threads are appropriate. You are discussing the results of a petition of something against the rules- really 2 violations here. And did you make a brand new account, posting this thread from the library, to share this story?

Perhaps though CCP will someday allow a punishment somewhere in the middle. I would suggest forfeiture of all the isk gained from bot-able activities on the accounts times three. Hey, at least you'd still have your skills.

Last but not least, I assume you son was of proper legal age to accept the EULA and no account sharing was going on.

Imagine CCP's difficulty in separating your situation from everyone else's. I don't mean to troll, so don't take it that way... but remember in The Shawshank Redemption, everyone was innocent.

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Jon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
#19 - 2013-06-18 03:06:38 UTC
Sounds like a parenting issue. I can't say I'm surprised that someone who reeks of entitlement, misguided resentment and unaccountability raised a son like that.

You should probably quit EVE and spend more time with your son so that he doesn't really screw up his life instead of just a video game.
Elliavir
Miskatonic Mercantile
#20 - 2013-06-18 03:07:28 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Garon Gaulle wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
[The second strike is a permanent ban.

There was no need for a "2nd strike" as no one was botting after the first incident.

That is my point of contention.

They say you would be warned before you would have a permaban on transferring any accounts.
But there was no 2nd botting act.



No, it's pretty clear in the rules provided that an account which has received the first strike will be banned from performing character transfers. Your warning against further botting was the first strike, next time the solution will be permanent.

You had the first Dev Blog regarding the matter provided to you, now here are the fairly recent revisions: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/begun-the-bot-war-has/



^ This. If you read the entire paragraph, instead of just a select quote that you interpret to mean "Blizzard-style warning", you would understand that the ban you received is a "CCP-style warning". They don't say you would be warned BEFORE your characters are locked to the account... they say getting that first warning will lock characters to their accounts.

The problem you are having isn't with CCP. It's much, much more local.
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