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What's a Brutix good for?
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Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#21 - 2013-06-17 01:56:16 UTC
Nevrok Nisaean wrote:
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
fit up a bunch of meta 0 frigates and go die in a fire with them. You'll learn loads about pvp doin that. Upgrade fits as you make more isk. I love a 20mil t2 fit thrasher as much as the next guy but you can fit up ten 2 mil thrashers while only losing maybe 30% efficiency instead and get a lot more pew for your buck.


What does meta 0 mean?
What do you mean dying in a fire? Just going after people in lowsec?
Are thrashers better or rifters? I use rifters atm.


Show info on an item and go to variations. Click compare button. Find meta level and compare the meta levels of the items. Generally the items named like Warp Scrambler I are meta 0.

What i mean by dying in a fire is goin out looking for a fight and not being afraid of losing your ship. Be it dueling people in hubs, goin to lowsec, goin to nullsec or even roaming wh's. Basically when i go out roaming in a 'die in a fire' mindset I'm literally out trying to lose my ship. This doesn't mean go lose your ship in stupid fights ( you might not know whats stupid or not at this time... you will quickly learn ) it does mean take a lot of chances. I've gotten some pretty hilarious or glorious kills trying to die in fire.

No ship is better then another in a general sense. Eve is about specializing roles. I only used thrasher as an example since its my favorite hull in the game. I'd recommend you using the cheapest fit frigates you can conceive. Rifters are awesome ship. Go experiment with different frigs and find what role you enjoy flying Big smile

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-06-17 01:59:28 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
I think the brutix is the highest DPS close range brawling battlecruiser available.



This is absolutely true, the thing is that when you know it and make it so you're fighting it in the 20km envelope of a T1 disruptor you can even go down to the web range slowly because the time the Brutix will be able to apply any any dmg ot you he's almost dead and if you use ECM drones he's already dead before you've even wasted time targeting it.

As with every Gallente ship don't play the fools game, don't play in web/scram range with and you have nothing to fear from them, they're simply harmless past this envelope (except for large blasters). Hence why they can and should be feared in the sole aspect in the game they're clearly meant for: gate/station kissing or gank.

For everything else you have better options. Notice I'm not saying you can't succeed, there are idiots everywhere from new to older players and I'm one of them, but a smarter pilot will never get powned by a Gallente hull unless specific situations as station hugging or gate camps with lots of rapiers/arazus tackling the target.

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Maximus Andendare
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#23 - 2013-06-17 17:13:50 UTC
Nevrok Nisaean wrote:
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
fit up a bunch of meta 0 frigates and go die in a fire with them. You'll learn loads about pvp doin that. Upgrade fits as you make more isk. I love a 20mil t2 fit thrasher as much as the next guy but you can fit up ten 2 mil thrashers while only losing maybe 30% efficiency instead and get a lot more pew for your buck.


What does meta 0 mean?
What do you mean dying in a fire? Just going after people in lowsec?
Are thrashers better or rifters? I use rifters atm.
If you're having fundamental questions like this, your best bet is probably to get into one of a multitude of new-player friendly starter corps that'll teach and show you about ship fittings, combat basics, skill queues, etc.

Eve University is one general, all-inclusive (missions, mining, some pvp) training corp, Red vs Blue if you want to learn to pvp--and do it A LOT of it, Fweddit is reddit's Faction Warfare corp (new player friendly), and Brave Newbies is another new-player-focused pvp corp. I'd check them all out. Talk to people in game who are in them, and they'll tell you how to join, what's involved, day-to-day activities, etc. This certainly isn't an exhaustive list, but it's some of the most well known.

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#24 - 2013-06-17 20:36:43 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
I think the brutix is the highest DPS close range brawling battlecruiser available.


ABC? Talos?

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-06-17 23:12:07 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
I think the brutix is the highest DPS close range brawling battlecruiser available.


ABC? Talos?


Would never use a talos as a close range brawler so point is moot.

Art of Explosions
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-06-18 01:13:32 UTC
Nevrok Nisaean wrote:
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
fit up a bunch of meta 0 frigates and go die in a fire with them. You'll learn loads about pvp doin that. Upgrade fits as you make more isk. I love a 20mil t2 fit thrasher as much as the next guy but you can fit up ten 2 mil thrashers while only losing maybe 30% efficiency instead and get a lot more pew for your buck.


What does meta 0 mean?
What do you mean dying in a fire? Just going after people in lowsec?
Are thrashers better or rifters? I use rifters atm.



Rifter is only decent anymore, its no longer the king T1 friglet. Condor is all around better, You can make arguments for Tristan Incursis, Executioner and a couple others.

Winmatar is no more in a lot of the T1 hulls really.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-06-18 01:13:59 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
I think the brutix is the highest DPS close range brawling battlecruiser available.


ABC? Talos?


Would never use a talos as a close range brawler so point is moot.



What? God why not?
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-06-18 02:58:34 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
I think the brutix is the highest DPS close range brawling battlecruiser available.


ABC? Talos?


Would never use a talos as a close range brawler so point is moot.



What? God why not?


Have you seen how thin it is

Art of Explosions
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-06-18 03:47:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Onictus
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
I think the brutix is the highest DPS close range brawling battlecruiser available.


ABC? Talos?


Would never use a talos as a close range brawler so point is moot.



What? God why not?


Have you seen how thin it is


[Talos, talos]

8x Neutron Blaster Cannon II (Federation Navy Iridium Charge L)

10MN Microwarpdrive II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Amplifier II

2x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
2x Tracking Enhancer II
Internal Force Field Array I

2x Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

891 DPS with faction antimatter, hits 22km optimal + falloff with a ~0.1 tracking 30keHP 28km with null at 710 DPS and runs +2km/s overheated. That Irridium does 530dps to point range.....

That is big enough damage that 5 will break the tank on a baddon before reps land, factor in a dictor and some EC-300 loving and the Talos is a nasty nasty thing.


Oh and that itsn't all Vs I build that with my current skills.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-06-18 04:19:08 UTC
that's a kiting fit not a brawling fit.

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#31 - 2013-06-18 04:25:10 UTC
Quote:
What's a Brutix good for?

Cheaply applying facemelting DPS to things at point blank range. Tank shield for more speed and DPS but lower durability and fewer utility slots, tank Armor for more durability and utility slots but less speed and DPS.

Next question.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-06-18 10:09:55 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
that's a kiting fit not a brawling fit.



Blasters don't kite.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2013-06-18 10:26:17 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
that's a kiting fit not a brawling fit.



Blasters don't kite.


Then you'll be sad to hear you've been flying the talos wrong.

Art of Explosions
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#34 - 2013-06-18 11:55:33 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
that's a kiting fit not a brawling fit.



Blasters don't kite.


If you want to know what a brawling fit on a talos is fit up a neutron/1600mm plate talos with scram/web

and thank you for the lulz

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Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-06-18 14:34:10 UTC
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
that's a kiting fit not a brawling fit.



Blasters don't kite.


If you want to know what a brawling fit on a talos is fit up a neutron/1600mm plate talos with scram/web

and thank you for the lulz



A couple fitting mods (unless they upped the grid) slower, worse tracking, less damage ......basically a crappy pulse Oracle.

No t3 takes any sort of beating.
chris elliot
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#36 - 2013-06-18 19:31:53 UTC
Nevrok Nisaean wrote:
I love the look of this ship, and there's alot of different things I like doing in this game and I'm still trying to figure what stuff to do.
I have a fully fit railgun brutix good to go, but I'm wondering what a Brutix is mainly used for?

edit: Also, unrelated, but is there anyway to speed up a brutix without activating anything? like without a microwarpdrive or an afterburner?



Short answer is, nothing.

The Navy version however is actually decent.
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#37 - 2013-06-18 21:05:56 UTC
I think you guys are just too used to the old brutix. Post patch it's actually not bad as a starting pve ship, for a T1 battlecruiser.

Try something like this:
Quote:

[Brutix, newb pve]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Prototype Armor Thermic Hardener I
Prototype Armor Thermic Hardener I
Prototype Armor Kinetic Hardener I
Prototype Armor Kinetic Hardener I
Magnetic Vortex Stabilizer I

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator

250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M
[empty high slot]
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hobgoblin I x5
Hobgoblin I x5



This particular fit would work vs serpentis, but you can change the hardeners around for other rats, and even remove some hardeners for damage mods once you get your tank skills up. With the afterburner off, It's cap stable with good, but not great, capacitor skills. There's quite a bit of fitting room left over, so if you can use the T2 version of any of those modules, do so. The spare high slot can be used for whatever you decide to put there...I'd suggest a tractor beam for grabbing cans with mission items. The web is technically not necessary once you know what you're doing, since you can kill the smaller stuff with drones, or your guns as it approaches, but if you're a newer player it's a very nice fallback to have, especially if you lose your drones.

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Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2013-06-18 21:13:12 UTC
chris elliot wrote:
Nevrok Nisaean wrote:
I love the look of this ship, and there's alot of different things I like doing in this game and I'm still trying to figure what stuff to do.
I have a fully fit railgun brutix good to go, but I'm wondering what a Brutix is mainly used for?

edit: Also, unrelated, but is there anyway to speed up a brutix without activating anything? like without a microwarpdrive or an afterburner?



Short answer is, nothing.

The Navy version however is actually decent.



I haven't tinkered with the navy BCs yet.

I'm actually living in fear of the "new" navy drake doctrine being announced.


Although, a the Navy cane may be in the works if I can build on of my old armor canes out of it.
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#39 - 2013-06-19 04:28:43 UTC
Alexa Coates wrote:
It's good for melting your face at point blank range before you can even lock, that's what it's good at.



Marry me, space devil woman.

Also, best heavy tackle boat I've ever seen ever since the BC rebalance.

Damn thing just won't die.

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Jodie Forrester
Atrocity.
#40 - 2013-06-19 13:40:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Jodie Forrester
[Brutix, Brutix]

6x Heavy Electron Blaster II (Void M)
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Faint Warp Disruptor I
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I

Internal Force Field Array I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer (Nanite Repair Paste)
800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
2x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

2x Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I

5x Hobgoblin II
5x Hornet EC-300

2000x Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
2000x Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S
138x Nanite Repair Paste
25x Navy Cap Booster 200


[Talos, Talos]

8x Neutron Blaster Cannon II (Void L)

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
2x Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Internal Force Field Array I
Tracking Enhancer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
2x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
2x Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

5x Hornet EC-300

4019x Federation Navy Antimatter Charge L
150x Nanite Repair Paste
5685x Null L
1x Shadow Tungsten Charge L
2831x Shadow Tungsten Charge L
7150x Void L


Talos 1001dps
Brutix 720dps

i always choose Talos

[Statistics - TALOS]

Effective HP: 36.390 (Eve: 30.610)
Tank Ability: 60,66 DPS
Damage Profile - Omni-Damage (EM: 25,00%, Ex: 25,00%, Ki: 25,00%, Th: 25,00%)
Shield Resists - EM: 54,20%, Ex: 69,03%, Ki: 62,83%, Th: 50,44%
Armor Resists - EM: 57,00%, Ex: 22,60%, Ki: 44,10%, Th: 44,10%

Capacitor (Lasts 2m 30s)

Volley Damage: 4.910,87
DPS: 1.000,64

[Statistics - BRUTIX]

Effective HP: 40.233 (Eve: 33.545)
Tank Ability: 268,11 DPS
Damage Profile - Omni-Damage (EM: 25,00%, Ex: 25,00%, Ki: 25,00%, Th: 25,00%)
Shield Resists - EM: 11,50%, Ex: 55,75%, Ki: 46,90%, Th: 29,20%
Armor Resists - EM: 67,32%, Ex: 41,18%, Ki: 57,52%, Th: 57,52%

Capacitor (Lasts 1m 30s)

Volley Damage: 1.489,89
DPS: 702,98
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