EVE General Discussion

Sure. If he moves, he's not AFK.

local takes away from exploring dangerous space

instantly knowing how many ppl are in the solar system due to a chat channel is just ******** to me

wouldn't this be nice, a stealth ship could actually be .... stealthy


Pok

This entire argument (Not just yours, Endeavour, the entire sequence) is starting to bore me.

Nobody wants to risk their ****. Nullsec dwellers don't want to be hunted by untouchable ghosts. Cloakers don't want to be rendered useless by probes or advanced scanning techniques. Nobody wants to see obscure special case anti-afk measures implemented.

Here's a tip: There is not going to be a change that's going to make everybody happy. Somewhere, somebody's going to have to be pissed off at this change. Most likely everybody.

Instead of proposing changes that would merely fix your problem, people need to start accepting proposals which have compromises. Stop trying to buff and nerf in one direction. It won't work.

The only way this is getting fixed is if all involved parties agree to take a hit.

Unless, of course, you're not really interested in improving the game, and you're only interested in your own personal well being.

Ask yourself, what do you want, and what would you be prepared to give up in order to get it?

Me? I want stealth. I want to be removed from local and all visibility at all times.

What would I be prepared to give up in order to get it? Let combat probes hunt me down.

This is a trade I, personally, would accept.

I'm sure all these people ratting in nullsec are still going to rat in nullsec just to be your easy prey when local is removed. There's no way they'd move to other areas of the game where they wouldn't have to put up with bullshit mechanics that make it impossible to prevent or defend themselves against attacks that render them unable to make any isk at all.

If solo and small gang players want more PVP, removing local intel is the last thing they'll want.

Let's sum up this ******* thread because I see this all the time:

"Let's get rid of local! Option A. Completely remove. Option B. Some sort of stupid cloaking mechanic!"

Option A: Endless ganking.
Option B: Endless Ganking.

Whooo! We've fixed local! Not only do the ~gudfites~ that were the whole point of removing local in the first place not materalize, but people who are already risk-averse, become more risk-averse. Local is only a problem when pilots are so bad that they think of neutrals as a deterrent and not an opportunity, and is only an obstacle when you don't understand how to properly tackle.

therefore, stop making these threads because this chicken has been banged so many times that it's starting to resemble the dead horse that these threads beat into dust.

Afk cloaking and just cloaking in general is very one-side and great when you're the one doing it.

this is a ******* excellent post

Like W-space?

OK, that was a cheap shot, but it makes the point that local isn't essential to being able to make ISK.

The reason instant local needs to go isn't because it's an intel tool, but because it's a horrible intel tool

(1) The interface is horrible: an unsorted, unflitered vertical list?
(2) It's completely uninteractive and unintuitive
(3) It's ugly and anti-immersive
(4) It gobbles far too much screen space
(5) It provides the wrong kind of intel (who is in system, rather than what is in system
(6) It makes every system feel the same
(7) It makes EVE space feel small. And flat.

We do need a real time intel tool, but local isn't that tool. It's just what we're stuck with until we can get CCP to make something better that will actually add to gameplay instead of replacing it.

Remove local, introduce auto-D-Scan with results displayed on the hud like the system scan when entering a system.