Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It's a fictional story, just like everything in EVE.
That means it is completely arbitrary too.

Just be glad the devs have not thrown "Space Orcs" into the game. /shudder

Npcs are scripted, which means you can learn their behaviour. Once that is done you can just pimp your ships to sillyness since there is no risk at getting ganked. After that its just free farm.

So, where did the Jovians get the records of ancestry? As far as I'm aware races such as the Jovian or Talocan weren't "unaffected" by the EVEgate collapse, they just fared better. After 20k+ years and such I think anything that may have been even remotely related to earth would be lost or have remained an undecipherable mystery (a 20k year old long lost legend) to the people of New Eden.

I am very, very iffy on the subject of truly bringing Earth and our ancestry into EVE. I find it nicer to have the dark, melancholy aspect that we don't know where we came from or why as opposed to "Oh, okay, we just kinda got screwed? Oh well." Plus, our technology is probably only now approaching what the Earth Colonists had been capable of.

I like the idea that New Eden is lost and hidden, and that the EVE gate was far and beyond your typical wormhole. It adds gravity to what happened, and it reinforces just why we were so keen on colonize the galaxy. A world of vast richness to explore and command, a new place we had never seen or even dreamt of. Something that was, ultimately, too good to be true.

For EVE's sake, I think it's best we not dwell on the past, but look to the future. Earth is a non-entity to New Eden, they should remain a complete mystery to New Eden, and for us players, that mystery that never gets completely solved.

WoW is that way >>>>>

What you basically want is incursions, but even safer. The ultimate farmville, with no risks whatsoever. Infinitely exploitable.

Cooperative PVE is already in the game.
If you want proper teamwork, do PVP.
If you want safe environment to farm with your friends against NPCs, without any inteference from other players, go play WoW.

No PVP in any way shape or form means much, much less risk than something like a wormhole. AI is predictable, as has already been pointed out. A couple of weeks after this hits, people will have figured out how to farm it best and will do so endlessly with near-zero risk.

Just like incursions, but without the PVP, and thus much safer.

And my point is that it can be staged to force an average 50% failure rate. This can be forgiving of smart efforts to only minor losses, but the same strategy will have rapidly diminishing returns if used repetitively.
Dumb efforts should result in total wipes, like a one sided fleet fight.

For every farming attempt, there can be a simple counter. They have years of player generated examples to draw from.

No, I said an average 50% failure rate.
And it could be forced as a reflection of matching difficulty, not a mindless lotto of failure.

This would not be a rollover experience, just feeding ISK and loot into accounts.

The value of this is the fight, not the loot. It is not worth doing unless it is a challenge.

L4's are for farming, these will be difficult and worth bragging over.

No, these will not be belts with rats spawning.

This will be minimum requirement of X ships, scaling upwards to a couple hundred or more as needed.

You are basing expectations off of existing in game AI and encounters. This is not transplanting those, it is taking AI encounters above and beyond.

The flaw in your logic is the assumption that major fleet events cannot be duplicated. That they will be repetitive and so predictable that farming techniques will quickly spring up to take advantage of them.

Between scaling to adaptive AI, this can be the PvE that duplicates the PvP tactical and strategic experience.

Ranging from a roam at the small end, to a major fleet on the other, this can be a new experience for many, and familiar to those used to fleet actions.

PvE to the next level? Yeah, it's called PvP.