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Easiest, most relaxed ship for lvl4 mission grind
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Steve Spooner
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-06-16 08:40:50 UTC
Ishtar's pretty nice to afk in. Plop sentries, orbit, grab a snack.
Jivvust
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-06-16 16:37:01 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
Well, if cost and skills are no problem, I'd suggest a Golem or Vargur.


How does Golem or Vargur stand against SNI or CNR for a lazy approach?
Could you outline what they do better, what their main upsides are?
Blue Absinthe
Wardec U
#23 - 2013-06-16 17:14:25 UTC
Steve Spooner wrote:
Ishtar's pretty nice to afk in. Plop sentries, orbit, grab a snack.


does this still work post the AI change?
Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2013-06-16 17:52:37 UTC
Blue Absinthe wrote:
Steve Spooner wrote:
Ishtar's pretty nice to afk in. Plop sentries, orbit, grab a snack.


does this still work post the AI change?


Nope.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#25 - 2013-06-17 02:08:48 UTC
npcs rarely go after sentries. although if you go afk they probably will eventually decide to switch.

golem has equal missile dps to the CNR plus a shield boost bonus and a target painter bonus. You can perma run a deadspace medium booster easily, and with the shield boost bonus you should be able to tank every mission. that said if you go afk shooting a trigger you might come back to a wreck. playing around in eft a bit, looks like you can get a gist large booster to perma run pretty easily too. given you are buying a character I'm assuming you don't care too much about further training on it? if so a set of crystals can boost the tank even more. or maybe throw in the genolution implants for a teeny bit more cap. depending on just how much you want to spend on this project.

vargur is pretty much the same as the golem only with autocannons, oh yes and winmatar resists.

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Elistea
BLUE Regiment.
#26 - 2013-06-17 09:02:22 UTC
Golem with HG crystals. You can tank full room agrro in every mission and since you do all damage types, you can do L4s in any part of space.
TBH its too easy :)
Jumfat Kohlah
Dark Sacred Night
#27 - 2013-06-17 15:45:45 UTC
Just to add my 2cents worth

Give thought to a combo - 2 accounts that specialize in l4s - easily

Navy Raven or Golem and a basilisk combo gives you full tank on all missions. Also helps when those pesky player looters come in to "help you out" on the missions (as long as you don't aggress them you should be good).
Velarra
#28 - 2013-06-17 18:02:14 UTC
Do you have some friends who're experienced pilots from whom to get some of the basics of space flight & PvX survival from?
While you may be acutely familiar with market pvp, naturally one does need a modicum of flight experience to get the most from SP & a good ship. (And to preferably not lose a ship due to an unexpected 'doh' moment.)
Jivvust
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-06-17 19:25:55 UTC
Velarra wrote:
Do you have some friends who're experienced pilots from whom to get some of the basics of space flight & PvX survival from?
While you may be acutely familiar with market pvp, naturally one does need a modicum of flight experience to get the most from SP & a good ship. (And to preferably not lose a ship due to an unexpected 'doh' moment.)


I was planning on transfering my future combat character to the Test server (I saw on wiki there is one available), and trying to fly around on my own to get acquainted with the mechanics. Any further tips and tricks regarding specific situations would of course be most welcome.

To answer your question - no, I don't have any friends with combat experience in Eve, and with my erratic playing schedule it would probably be hard to acquire any. Sometimes I can play 7 hours a day on-and-off, and sometimes I don't log-in for several days (weeks) in a row.
Robert Saint
The Grumpy Dogs
#30 - 2013-06-18 06:43:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Saint
Jumfat Kohlah wrote:
Just to add my 2cents worth

Give thought to a combo - 2 accounts that specialize in l4s - easily

Navy Raven or Golem and a basilisk combo gives you full tank on all missions. Also helps when those pesky player looters come in to "help you out" on the missions (as long as you don't aggress them you should be good).



This is the best idea so far... Really, if you want to be relaxed having two ships in the site changes everything in your favor.
Of course, like most in here I suggest my ship of choice which is

Cerberus heavy assault ship.

Ballistic Control II x 4 (in the lows)
Invul Field II (Mid)
Large Shield Extender x 3 (Mid)
10MN Afterburner II (Mid)
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II x 5 (Highs)
Small Tractor II (High)
Medium Launch Accelerator II (Rig)
EM Shield 1 (rig)

Has 430 dps that is completely effective against all ships.

running two of these toons, the shield hardly ever loses 30 percent of full.

I just circle the beacon and fire. They hit all the way to 70k .

Around 200m , so if you lose one (although I don't know how you could), they are cheap to replace.

Peace.
Freighdee Katt
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-06-18 14:57:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Freighdee Katt
consuasor wrote:
Out of these, the Rattlesnake and Dominix are really bothersome if you get vexed by losing drones to rat aggro. It can be surprisingly hard to consider drones as consumable ammunition. If you can do that, go for the rattlesnake.

How well would it work to just stock the highs on your Dominix with small/med remote shield reps, drop sentries, and let one rep perma-run on each? Seems like that would keep them from getting killed and pull aggro from them as well. Is the cap demand for five small reps too much to keep them all running without an injector, or are they too trivial to keep up when the drones get shot?

EvE is supposed to suck.  Wait . . . what was the question?
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-06-18 16:32:24 UTC
For all the drone issues, if you're losing sentries, you ARE doing it wrong.
Souxie Alduin
Anarchy in the Eve
#33 - 2013-06-19 00:00:05 UTC
Freighdee Katt wrote:
consuasor wrote:
Out of these, the Rattlesnake and Dominix are really bothersome if you get vexed by losing drones to rat aggro. It can be surprisingly hard to consider drones as consumable ammunition. If you can do that, go for the rattlesnake.

How well would it work to just stock the highs on your Dominix with small/med remote shield reps, drop sentries, and let one rep perma-run on each? Seems like that would keep them from getting killed and pull aggro from them as well. Is the cap demand for five small reps too much to keep them all running without an injector, or are they too trivial to keep up when the drones get shot?


This is cap stable with good skills. Will probably end badly, but would be fun to trySmile

[Dominix]
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Large Armor Repairer II
Large Armor Repairer II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Small Remote Armor Repair System II
Small Remote Armor Repair System II
Small Remote Armor Repair System II
Small Remote Armor Repair System II
Small Remote Armor Repair System II
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Garde II x5
Darvaleth Sigma
Imperial Security Hegemony
#34 - 2013-06-19 20:55:49 UTC
Depends how relaxed you want, and whether you are willing to go to lowsec... also depends how you define "relaxed". In terms of the mission, L4s will never threaten your Aeon's tank... that doesn't mean you'll be particularly relaxed though. Lol

Give a man a match and you warm him for a day.

Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life!
Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-06-19 21:24:48 UTC
I posted this to another thread today, but here are my L4 fits. Not as much DPS as a BS, but also both full fits are cheaper than one some of the BS hulls mentioned here...

First one: Heavy DPS Drake
Shield Power Relay II
Ballistic Control System II x3

Shield Recharger II x3
Large Shield Extender II x2
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile x6
Small Tractor Beam I

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I x3

Salvage Drone I x2
Hornet EC-300 x3

340DPS
360 Passive Tank
VERY CHEAP!!! (@ 75mil)



Second One: SH Tank Drake
Shield Power Relay II x4

Large Shield Extender II x2
EM Ward Amplifier II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile x6
Small Tractor Beam I

Medium Core Defense Field Purger II x3

Salvage Drone I x2
Hornet EC-300 x3


135 DPS - Low I use it to check out the room
960 Passive Tank
Expensive, But I had a few good scores ;)

I was hunting for sick loot, but all I could get my hands on were 50 corpses[:|]..............[:=d]
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#36 - 2013-06-20 02:07:37 UTC
Darvaleth Sigma wrote:
Depends how relaxed you want, and whether you are willing to go to lowsec... also depends how you define "relaxed". In terms of the mission, L4s will never threaten your Aeon's tank... that doesn't mean you'll be particularly relaxed though. Lol


if only aeons could use acceleration gates Lol

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Clara Valentine
Doomheim
#37 - 2013-06-22 19:35:16 UTC
Everyone has posted some great Ideas and fits but they have all missed something obvious, you're a trader and level 4 missions will be for fun and not maximizeing isk income for a whole load of effort (Pulseing boosters/controlling range ect ect.).

For this reason I recomend a Tengu because it's fairly cheap, huge tank (You won't lose it via alt tab and dealing with tradeing), it's fast to warp in/out/dock also does great dps at a decent range.

Above all its really alot of fun to fly and a good ship to upgrade from if you become a more hardcore mission runner.

Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System

Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
Pith B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Corelum B-Type 10MN Afterburner
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir

Implants-

HM-705
RL-1005
GP-805
TN-905
A full set of Crystal implants would go lovely with this to really make tank extra OP.
Amma Hurst
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2013-06-22 22:15:51 UTC
Freighdee Katt wrote:

How well would it work to just stock the highs on your Dominix with small/med remote shield reps, drop sentries, and let one rep perma-run on each? Seems like that would keep them from getting killed and pull aggro from them as well. Is the cap demand for five small reps too much to keep them all running without an injector, or are they too trivial to keep up when the drones get shot?


Well for one you don't want to use up 5 of your targeting slots on sentries The Domi has a max of only 7 targets. Also I have found that for the most part when sentries get aggro it is only one of the 5 that gets it, so you can just target the one getting aggro and rep it.

It has also been my experience that even when I do rep one of my sentries the npc aggro still stays on that sentry and rarely if ever switches to me



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Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-06-22 23:21:43 UTC
Jivvust wrote:
I have no understanding of the combat part of Eve at all.


Practice.

Combat is pretty simple for PvE, though the devs are slowly making it more annoying.

1. You usually know which kind of damage you are going to receive and what you'll have to deal by the faction you are going up against.
2. Don't go up against other empires.
3. Check the mission at eve survival to know what the trigger ships are and other annoying types (scram/web/dampers) there are and make those a high priority.
4. Start with level 1 and level 2 missions, you can learn the basics there.
5. Orbiting and distance can be your best friends or worst enemies.

I can has blogging skills!
Echhan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2013-06-26 17:20:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Echhan
Jivvust wrote:
Wow, this went way better than I expected. A lot of helpful responses, thanks guys :)

To make things a bit clearer, my combat skills being low is not an issue, since I plan to buy a character on Bazaar. My budget is basically unlimited, the only problem being myself - I have no understanding of the combat part of Eve at all.



There is always the Test server (Singularity). Granted, for you, Jiw, ISK is no option, but for others facing the same issues without benefit of a practically bottomless wallet, Test is an option.

Everything costs 100.00 ISK (ships, books, mods, rigs, ammo, etc.) and you can test configurations and techniques and decide for yourself what works best with your own style of play and the only thing you've risked, aside from 20,000 ISK or so, is the time to do it.

Just be aware of mechanics that might be in place on Singularity, but have not been yet released to Tranqulity. It *is* the test server, after all. *grin*

Best of luck...
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