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Plex just to train 2 toons on one account. A way to help us or make money......
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ALI Virgo
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#1 - 2013-06-14 06:21:03 UTC
People play the game and train skills for a plex per account of three charters. So why pay a whole second plex just to train an alt for 30 days.

Can a function be added so both charters being trained can log into the game :)
or just make it skill points for plex and or 60 days of training time. Plain and simple.

The plex is to play the game not the ability to play the game better on an alt. And paying more for it.

I would like Plex for skill points or 2X speed though.

One plex per month limit per account.

and 2x speed for a month once per year.

CCP will make money and it be fare.

If people are worried rich people in eve and out side of eve will have huge advantage. Then get that advantage on your side.

Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-06-14 06:33:12 UTC
I think your ideas are terrible.
FoxFire Ayderan
#3 - 2013-06-14 06:42:16 UTC

2x training speed for a PLEX would be paying for advantage. That's a non-starter. It would make many feel as though they need to buy PLEX just to keep up, and many like myself would rather just quit playing at that point.


Using it to train an alt on the same account is fine, since you could be training on a seperate account by paying with PLEX or a subscription.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#4 - 2013-06-14 06:49:34 UTC
I feel like the continued discussion of anything regarding dual training for PLEX is the same as digging up a dead horse and beating the putrefied flesh.
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#5 - 2013-06-14 07:28:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Tchulen
Oh, how I lol'd.

OP, would you like some cheese to go with your whine? Lol

This is precisely why you shouldn't give idiots what they want. No sooner do they have it than they're demanding more badly thought out stuff. You give them an inch and all that.

@OP - You have a choice. If you want to use your plex to train and play a new character you create an alt account. If you want to train an alt on your main account you use a plex to train a second char on the same account but you can't play with both that alt and your main. If you have an alt on your main account and you want to train and play both that alt and your main you create another account and you character transfer your alt into it and then you can train and play both your main and your alt.

Currently, you have all the tools you need at your disposal. There doesn't need to be any changes. You're demanding the change simply because you want them and not because they would actually be good or necessary for the game. Please explain how they would benefit the game as a whole if you want a change to be accepted.

Please don't be disheartened by the fact you have entirely negative feedback. It's just that this idea isn't well thought through and is couched from a personal wish perspective rather than from the perspective of the game as a whole. You'd probably get better responses if you consider your proposal from more angles than just yours prior to posting it in future.

Oh, and no to unstealthy strealth cash for sp thread.
HiddenPorpoise
Jarlhettur's Drop
United Federation of Conifers
#6 - 2013-06-14 09:14:20 UTC
ALI Virgo wrote:
CCP will make money and it be fare.

This typo amuses me greatly.
NiGhTTraX
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-06-14 09:43:11 UTC
It was a matter of time before this post showed up. :sigh:

ALI Virgo wrote:
If people are worried rich people in eve and out side of eve will have huge advantage. Then get that advantage on your side.

That's some good inspirational talk right there. Don't be poor and all of your problems will be solved!

If you're gonna post here thinking your idea is the greatest thing since bacon and that it will save EVE and possibly all humankind with it, you're gonna have a bad time.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#8 - 2013-06-14 09:49:31 UTC
The new system allows for a very few and niche instances of training to occur, that wouldn't normally take place. Although a second account will be far cheaper and better to run in the long term, the short term training of alts is finacially better with the new system.

There are of course limitations to the new system, as it's not intended to replace the old. Only to act as a niche substitute.

Also your 2x training speed idea sucks chubby. Just saying.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-06-17 04:45:42 UTC
I think I need to find an emergency eyewash station after reading this.
FoxFire Ayderan
#10 - 2013-06-17 06:45:02 UTC
Tchulen wrote:
...You're demanding the change simply because you want them and not because they would actually be good or necessary for the game. Please explain how they would benefit the game as a whole if you want a change to be accepted.

Please don't be disheartened by the fact you have entirely negative feedback. It's just that this idea isn't well thought through and is couched from a personal wish perspective rather than from the perspective of the game as a whole. You'd probably get better responses if you consider your proposal from more angles than just yours prior to posting it in future.

Oh, and no to unstealthy strealth cash for sp thread.


Actually he's not "demanding" anything. Is that what you think people's suggestion in this forum are? Demands?

He put forth an idea and the pros and cons of that idea are to be discussed in the forum. There's no requisite amount of thought that is required to be put into the idea in advance of posting it. Some people put a great deal of thought into their ideas, others just shoot things off the top of their head (e.g. brainstorming). Both methods are valuable.

Not everyone can think of every possible ramification of the ideas they have, these forums are in part designed to help refine ideas. Some ideas may be completely unredeemable like this, but you can't expect every player to realize that upfront. Other ideas are going to have detractors who ONLY want to detract from the idea rather than putting forth obvious solutions to their concern. Though for the unobvious solutions, that's where other posters or the OP can come in to advance those solutions and solidify the merit of the idea.

There's absolutely no reason to be a jerk about it. Explain why an idea is problematic or unworkable (think if there are any solutions you yourself can come up with to alieveate those problems or another solution to the OPs desires) and be constructive.

Personally I don't often respond well to jerks, and they are likely to get bitten harder right back. Granted that doesn't make the situation any better, in fact it makes it worse, by hey I still claim the initial jerk is entitled to the bulk of the blame (it's not necessarily human nature to intiate jerkitude to someone, but it is human nature - a reflex - to respond in a similar fashion).
TehCloud
Guardians of the Dodixie
#11 - 2013-06-17 09:27:25 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
I think your ideas are terrible.

This.

My Condor costs less than that module!
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#12 - 2013-06-17 09:40:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
Features & Ideas: We Whip our Dead Horses Back and Forth™
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2013-06-17 09:44:57 UTC
ALI Virgo wrote:
So why pay a whole second plex just to train an alt for 30 days.




PI alts. Cyno alts. Basic FW alts. Basic RvB alts. Spies. Awoxers. Suicide Gankers. Mission alts. Mining alts. Trader alts. Industrial alts. Hauler alts.


Basically, absolutley anything that doesn't involve being logged in at the same time as your main, and that can be completed in, say, three months.
Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2013-06-17 09:54:58 UTC
ALI Virgo wrote:
Can a function be added so both charters being trained can log into the game :)


Yeah it's called spending that PLEX on a second account instead of using it to activate dual training Roll
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#15 - 2013-06-17 10:11:59 UTC
FoxFire Ayderan wrote:
He put forth an idea and the pros and cons of that idea are to be discussed in the forum. There's no requisite amount of thought that is required to be put into the idea in advance of posting it. Some people put a great deal of thought into their ideas, others just shoot things off the top of their head (e.g. brainstorming). Both methods are valuable.

In answer to your last assertion, no they're not. Pulling stupid ideas out of your arse and posting them without any thought is not valuable in any way whatsoever. It's just prosal diarrhea. Having not considered your idea or done any research as to whether it's been proposed by anyone else is the antithesis of valuable.

FoxFire Ayderan wrote:
Not everyone can think of every possible ramification of the ideas they have, these forums are in part designed to help refine ideas. Some ideas may be completely unredeemable like this, but you can't expect every player to realize that upfront. Other ideas are going to have detractors who ONLY want to detract from the idea rather than putting forth obvious solutions to their concern. Though for the unobvious solutions, that's where other posters or the OP can come in to advance those solutions and solidify the merit of the idea.

I don't expect every player to think of every possible effect of their proposal. However, I do expect them to at least try to think about it and check to see if something similar has already been proposed. If they don't, they can expect a minor ridicule. Saying that people should put forth solutions to their concerns assumes that there is a solution to their concern. The OP is proposing being able to play multiple chars on the same account at best and pay for SP at worst. There is no solution to this other than "NO" so there is not solution to give. I do understand what you mean though, I could perhaps have couched my response a little more constructively. It does get frustrating reading the same badly thought out proposals over and over again, in my defence.

FoxFire Ayderan wrote:
There's absolutely no reason to be a jerk about it. Explain why an idea is problematic or unworkable (think if there are any solutions you yourself can come up with to alieveate those problems or another solution to the OPs desires) and be constructive.

Good point and received. I do occassionally need to be reminded of this. In my defence... see my last comment.

FoxFire Ayderan wrote:
Personally I don't often respond well to jerks, and they are likely to get bitten harder right back. Granted that doesn't make the situation any better, in fact it makes it worse, by hey I still claim the initial jerk is entitled to the bulk of the blame (it's not necessarily human nature to intiate jerkitude to someone, but it is human nature - a reflex - to respond in a similar fashion).

Well, I completely agree. It kind of depends how you define a jerk, really. One definition could be "someone who posts dumb ideas which have been repeat posted by others whilst not bothing to look into it at all and just pouring their diarrhea all over the forum". So I guess I agree with you.
ALI Virgo
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#16 - 2013-06-26 19:47:07 UTC
HiddenPorpoise wrote:
ALI Virgo wrote:
CCP will make money and it be fare.

This typo amuses me greatly.

:)
ALI Virgo
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#17 - 2013-06-26 19:48:00 UTC
FoxFire Ayderan wrote:
Tchulen wrote:
...You're demanding the change simply because you want them and not because they would actually be good or necessary for the game. Please explain how they would benefit the game as a whole if you want a change to be accepted.

Please don't be disheartened by the fact you have entirely negative feedback. It's just that this idea isn't well thought through and is couched from a personal wish perspective rather than from the perspective of the game as a whole. You'd probably get better responses if you consider your proposal from more angles than just yours prior to posting it in future.

Oh, and no to unstealthy strealth cash for sp thread.


Actually he's not "demanding" anything. Is that what you think people's suggestion in this forum are? Demands?

He put forth an idea and the pros and cons of that idea are to be discussed in the forum. There's no requisite amount of thought that is required to be put into the idea in advance of posting it. Some people put a great deal of thought into their ideas, others just shoot things off the top of their head (e.g. brainstorming). Both methods are valuable.

Not everyone can think of every possible ramification of the ideas they have, these forums are in part designed to help refine ideas. Some ideas may be completely unredeemable like this, but you can't expect every player to realize that upfront. Other ideas are going to have detractors who ONLY want to detract from the idea rather than putting forth obvious solutions to their concern. Though for the unobvious solutions, that's where other posters or the OP can come in to advance those solutions and solidify the merit of the idea.

There's absolutely no reason to be a jerk about it. Explain why an idea is problematic or unworkable (think if there are any solutions you yourself can come up with to alieveate those problems or another solution to the OPs desires) and be constructive.

Personally I don't often respond well to jerks, and they are likely to get bitten harder right back. Granted that doesn't make the situation any better, in fact it makes it worse, by hey I still claim the initial jerk is entitled to the bulk of the blame (it's not necessarily human nature to intiate jerkitude to someone, but it is human nature - a reflex - to respond in a similar fashion).

ty
ALI Virgo
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#18 - 2013-06-26 19:49:12 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Features & Ideas: We Whip our Dead Horses Back and Forth™

do you have any ideas
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#19 - 2013-06-26 22:23:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Maximus Aerelius
ALI Virgo wrote:
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Features & Ideas: We Whip our Dead Horses Back and Forth™

do you have any ideas


You just have really really bad ones...third thread of yours that, IMHO, has really sucked bad! Keep trying though but I'm sure you may just be a troll poster.

EDIT: Your other ideas as a reference for others and that this isn't just a troll post from me: "Haul my stuff for a PLEX", "Insure Pods to help people get podded with implants".

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