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Increase Standing With Trade

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Esyavore Lando
Talu Shaya Industries
#1 - 2013-06-09 10:18:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Esyavore Lando
Traders and industrialists depend to some degree on standing. Good standing reduces the broker fee and waste when recycling. Currently the trader has to leave his playstyle when he wants to increase standing.

To increase standing PvPers can do faction warfare, mission runners do missions.

Now I want to propose a way for the trader profession:

increase standing with market orders!

For every order on market over time you gather standing points with the corp and faction of the station the order is located.

This should be a slow process and a single order shouldnt have much impact. But serious traders can have up to 300 orders on market. So if a trader seeds the same station with a lot of orders over a long time (months maybe), the standing gain gets noticeable.



Roleplay aspect: a well seeded market is benefitial to the station owning (npc)corporation (they get more taxes). So they have reason to be thankfull and respect the trader with better standing.

thank you for reading
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#2 - 2013-06-09 10:32:39 UTC
Mmm...interesting idea. I could get behind this but as OP said it would have to be significantly less Standing Gain than from those who do run Missions\FW as there is little risk in Trading when compared to Missions\FW.

+1 and subd to see others thoughts.
0Lona 0ltor
Adeptio Gloriae
#3 - 2013-06-12 15:38:52 UTC  |  Edited by: 0Lona 0ltor
This is a good idea & simple way to implement it would be transaction tax paying for standing.

If you have even read the EVE wiki you would know that you can buy up to 5.0 standing from any of the 4 high sec races with ISK by buying tags of market & handing them into the data center.

SO your idea is redundant as traders all ready have a way of grinding standing via ISK & purchase of data center tags. You can even buy up to 8.0 ( I think) if you also purchase cosmo's items to hand in.
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#4 - 2013-06-12 15:54:55 UTC
0Lona 0ltor wrote:
This is a good idea & simple way to implement it would be transaction tax paying for standing.

If you have even read the EVE wiki you would know that you can buy up to 5.0 standing from any of the 4 high sec races with ISK by buying tags of market & handing them into the data center.

SO your idea is redundant as traders all ready have a way of grinding standing via ISK & purchase of data center tags. You can even buy up to 8.0 ( I think) if you also purchase cosmo's items to hand in.


I think the OP's suggestion was that extra expense wasn't incurred but that they gained this standing by using the facilities of that Corporation. Think of it as a "Reward Scheme" like Tesco Clubcard Points, Morrisons Miles or Airmiles. You spend money (this being Taxes) for placing your orders with them and bring people into their stations and so you are rewarded with a little bit of Standing love.
Marsan
#5 - 2013-06-12 15:55:25 UTC
Basically you want for your play style to get standing for free. That is basically what you are saying. You aren't spending extra isk or extra time you are just doing what you normal do, and getting standings. You can just buy tags like everyone else who need to increase their standing without running missions. Not to mention there are 2 whole classes of non combat missions.

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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#6 - 2013-06-12 17:51:40 UTC
Marsan wrote:
Basically you want for your play style to get standing for free. That is basically what you are saying. You aren't spending extra isk or extra time you are just doing what you normal do, and getting standings. You can just buy tags like everyone else who need to increase their standing without running missions. Not to mention there are 2 whole classes of non combat missions.


Mission runners just do what they normally do and get standings. Maybe you didn't notice or didn't read the part where OP said the standings gain via market orders would be less than what missioners get.
Jade III
Sebiestor Tribe
#7 - 2013-06-12 17:58:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade III
Interesting topic, I like that idea. Kinda goes along with my Idea of Tags for Loyalty Points..

But anyway, back to your idea. What would be the exchange rate for the standing increase for the trading?

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Esyavore Lando
Talu Shaya Industries
#8 - 2013-06-12 19:24:16 UTC
Jade III wrote:
Interesting topic, I like that idea. Kinda goes along with my Idea of Tags for Loyalty Points..

But anyway, back to your idea. What would be the exchange rate for the standing increase for the trading?



I don't want to work out all the details, that should the game designers of ccp do. Just wanted to get that general idea to them.

I guess there has to be put some thought into how you can prevent exploitation. Like if people sell stuff to an alt, trade with themselve. Maybe the transaction tax is a good idea. Or maybe you just gain standing over time as long as the order is on the market.
Vincenzo Arbosa
Locust Assets
#9 - 2013-06-14 17:02:47 UTC
I like the concept. I wouldnt want to figure out the bonus over time, either, but I agree that it should be significantly less than combat related increases due to decreased risk.

I'd tag along on that idea and put increases tied to any activity that makes money for the hosting corporation, ie refining and industry, renting an office, etc. Yes, again, significantly smaller bonuses, but most corporations would favor those that are making them money.
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Sabre Rolf
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-06-14 17:10:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Sabre Rolf
against.
simply making things easier isn't necessarily a good thing. You can make decent profit even without any standings, but if you want to have a perfect trader you should work or pay(char-bazaar) for it IMHO. And rly market-orders is what a trader does anyways, so it`s no extra effort at all.

There is also an error in your plan...interregional trading would just kill your standings all the time wich is not the case with the current system.
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#11 - 2013-06-14 17:49:17 UTC
Against. If you want standings there are ways to get them currently. Courier missions are something you should look into.
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#12 - 2013-06-15 03:59:24 UTC
Strongly against.

As it is, you do not have to run missions yourself to gain standings, you can have others (be it alts or other players) do them for you. You can also buy characters with pre-established standings. If you do not like the standard missions (security, distribution or mining) and quite frankly you are not alone in that, then there are datacenters, COSMOS and FW as (better) alternatives.

You need to make a case for actually needing an alternative way to gain standings and you need to come up with a mechanic that isn't bad for the market, bad for the sandbox and highly exploitable like the one you have suggested.
Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#13 - 2013-06-17 02:11:51 UTC
I do like the concept if being able to raise your standings through conducting trades. I do have one major concern though that is preventing me from giving it a +1.

What would stop someone from taking a large amount of their materials, and selling them at a station when their item is the only one that is being offered at their station for lets just say double the price. They then purchase that item on an alt, and trade it back to their main. The only thing stopping them from doing this would be the transaction tax, which is not enough to prevent someone from doing this.

This would also provide someone with a large sum of cash, to be able to boost their own standings, while not incurring any type of other player interaction except with themselves.

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Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
#14 - 2013-06-17 03:56:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Zan Shiro
So I can invent and build my own t2 BS's.


I see what current market prices are and go I can eat a few million tax cost to get standings.

And then commence to place a sell order on the trade alt and then buy that order on a different char.


What does selling myself say 2 BLOPs get me for standing? Or hacs? Other random 100's of millions purchases?


The game already has a pay for standing serivce in game, it be the datacenters. If you think my above eating sales tax until standings are maxed to bare minimali is costly ...it probably breaks down to being cheaper than these lol. This is by design...want the standings, don't want to run eve cheesy couriers, its gonna cost you.
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-06-17 09:19:34 UTC
Pay a mission runner to "fleet" you.

Mission runner does missions and splits rewards, you get standing increases....

Basically, you can already buy standing over time, if you're willing to
Doctor Zoe
Spatial Enterprises
Pandemic Horde
#16 - 2013-06-22 12:10:28 UTC
Trader`s standing should be raise by number of compeled orders,this a good way
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#17 - 2013-06-22 12:11:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
Doctor Zoe wrote:
Trader`s standing should be raise by number of compeled orders,this a good way


On the surface it looks like that, but I could just as easily put up a thousand orders in a day and complete them all with an alt.


Verity Sovereign wrote:
Pay a mission runner to "fleet" you.

Mission runner does missions and splits rewards, you get standing increases....

Basically, you can already buy standing over time, if you're willing to


Will the mission-runner keep their end of the deal? Besides that, the mission-runner can raise their standing without enlisting direct outside assistance.
grrlet
Leper Outcast Unclean
#18 - 2013-07-02 17:35:14 UTC
Mission runners are performing a service for the corporation, hence the gain. Traders are using a service supplied by the corporation, hence the tax. Why would they give you standing for a service they're charging you to use? It would just cut into their profits.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-07-02 17:55:33 UTC
No way in hell or heaven !!!

All you need to trade is some easy to train for skill, turn on your computer spend a couple mins looking at a stupid window and log off do something else, play another game etc while vastly impacting the game with little to no effort.

NO NO NO AND let me repeat it again NO !!!

Trading characters are harmful on the large scheme of things and with current mechanics, no way in hell those should get ANY inch of advantage more they already have.

No way !! Those need to get nerf to the ground, not the other way around.

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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#20 - 2013-07-02 20:09:38 UTC
Marsan wrote:
Basically you want for your play style to get standing for free. That is basically what you are saying. You aren't spending extra isk or extra time you are just doing what you normal do, and getting standings. You can just buy tags like everyone else who need to increase their standing without running missions. Not to mention there are 2 whole classes of non combat missions.


I've flown a lot of mining missions, to grind standing.

As for non-mission ways to get standing, I think it'd be a lot better if it involved donating stuff to the NPC corp in question, instead of just using their facilities in exchange for the usual modest fee. And by donating I mean many millions of ISK of ores, minerals and cash.
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