Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Not everyone like to fly combat-fitted ships. Dont force your type of gameplay on all other players.
You'll be the 1st one to whine about prices on modules and ships rising as soon as mineral surplus is depleted.

Bad idea.

"Mining should be done only with mining ships," said Soundwave.

Nevermind that I hate mining with a passion, but I like building things and he took it upon himself to make sure missions are low on mineral yield and aren't really profitable unless you grind them for four hours like a bot.

CCP Soundwave, I don't drink but I'd like to buy you a beer. A really cheap, watery beer.

If you had moar moon income you wouldn't need to grind as much, just say'in.

Honestly, I see little difference between shooting gun and activating miner... And if you had something different in mind, you've lost me here.


Really, Soundwave has of course much more to say than I but even his words aren't carved in stone.

@Everyone.
I admit that I didn't expect that this idea gathers much support (and even in wildest fantasies I didn't dream it to be implemented in any foreseable future) though I hoped the discussion to be a little less one sided. Let me explain something. I failed but at least I tried to solve two issues:

- Mining as it is and because how it works is extremely prone to botting. It's basically an invitation, as if every ship had PLEASE CONNECT ME TO A BOT painted on the hull. From every side.

- None of PVE activities prepare for PVP. This is actually bigger topic. Incursions were supposed to do it and honestly I don't know how it plays out.

But point is taken. You don't like it, okay. Before killing this thread let's properly shoot it down.

CHANGE OF THE RULES

I've won really big lottery jackpot and I've bought CCP with cash. I fired Soundwave to spare him dishonor of having to eat his own words and the rest of team is put to implement this feature. There are player riots but at the end of the day fires in Jita subsided, some minority emoragequitted but majority adapted and went back to business as usual.

I have Big Lever with which I control the number of spawns, so markets don't suffer. Mining missions are redesigned as haul intercept mission against competing corporations/factions (read: a way for noobs/carebears to get into the game).

Fill any missing details as you like but be careful, it's easy to get into strawman rhetoric this way.

YOUR TASK

Find all ways it can break the game. All unexpected consequences I missed. To seed the discussion I have two:

Problem #1: miners are pissed.

Problem #2: they are sitting in PVP ships.

Go.

You may wish to consider this beekeeper idea.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=150723&find=unread

It makes mining much more interesting, in my opinion.

That is one difference, the other seems to be a non sustainable security penalty. At some point they have to repair that security status, which can often mean the same style of mindless grinding I think you want to avoid.

Another one of my points was that mining should be very dangerous to non miners. Heck, miners not in a properly fitted ship could find themselves warping into an infested nightmare rather than an anticipated leisurely grind fest.

These are supposed to be tough professionals doing a task both too difficult and too dangerous for those not properly skilled or equipped.

Not ballerinas delicately pirouetting between dancing space rocks, delicately sniffing with mining lasers and avoiding those nasty and dangerous PvP ogres...

Actually, the trick to this is looking at what they wanted to achieve in gameplay.

For PvP, they needed to make things happen quickly, or any fight would snowball into every ally and buddy showing up. Fights would be determined by whoever had the bigger social network.
(Imagine how long a PvE fight lasts by comparison)
A roam into hostile territory would take several hours, which is too difficult for multiple players who only have limited amounts of time where everyone is actually available together.

Now, PvE: this is almost always consensual in nature, like opening a book.
For missions, you go to the agent, storyline follows.
For ratting, you camp out in a belt or spawn area.
For mining, you have a slow but steady amount of ore gathered over time.
In each of these activities, the key element is a massive time sink in order to make any significant progress.
This is a game where instant gratification defeats the design purpose, and makes it into a vending machine with no sense of accomplishment.

Barring RMT incidents, the payoff to play EVE is the sense of accomplishment.
Whether this is by social interaction as the glue sticking you to the game, or a lengthy effort resulting in PvE successes over time, the result is an interest in coming back to see what happens next.

If you want PvE to more resemble PvP, it should be limited more to areas where PvP is a consistent presence threatening PvE, so it addresses a need rather than creating one.