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Why do more trolls show up when I try to help out new and old EVE Players
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Craig Bennett2th
Bennett Corp
#1 - 2013-06-16 17:31:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Craig Bennett2th
For some reason, I've been having problems with trolls showing up to my videos. Now I have a lot of videos. Videos on reviews, helping people with computer problems, and so on. But, the one thing that seems to attract trolls is my videos where I'm making a guide for EVE. More than not, there is more trolls that show up on the videos where I help new players.

Here is a prime example. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LugAW77600s
One of the other videos I had an extreme problem with trolls is a video where I showed new players how to make an instan.


Now I don't mind trolls going to my videos. In fact, that means I get more money... I mean more views. At the end of the day, this gets me closer to investing in a better setup. Also, some trolls help out. Like, some trolls tend to say what exactly is wrong (with adding a lot of other useless crap).
However, the EVE videos have not been attracting trolls like that. They tend to attract trolls like in the link above. (BTW, look at the kids page. No videos, so this one doesn't know how it takes 2+ hours to make 1 video that's 15 or so min long. The kid lies about his age (obviously it's a guy).)

Assuming these trolls are EVE players (since it's targeted to only those videos), why do you think this is happening? Does long time EVE players want this game to die? (some people are leaving because they aren't getting any help from anyone until now (a lot of new players come up to me and they say thank you. They tell me there isn't too much out there on topics I cover)
Could it be these EVE players don't want to rely on their own skills? Like they want noobs to stay in the dark so they are basically sitting targets.


EDIT: YouTube took off his comment or he did. Check out the comment I copy and pasted from him in page 2.
Also, this question is talking about trolls on here and YouTube.

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Capt Tenguru10
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-06-16 17:48:40 UTC
Reporting in.

http://i.imgur.com/EYX5Zi7.gif
Craig Bennett2th
Bennett Corp
#3 - 2013-06-16 18:00:24 UTC
Capt Tenguru10 wrote:
Reporting in.


I'm confused. As a troll, someone who tried to help new players and was trolled, or the troll in the video?


If you are the troll in the video, then please explain why exactly troll guides that are meant to help new players.

Hell is around every turn. It's your choice to go in it or not. Please check out the Rookies in EVE video playlist. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLioOFeHwQV5yNk2vpz8wX9hihLVQEIKLt
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#4 - 2013-06-16 18:04:27 UTC
The idea of questioning the nature of trolls on both the internet and in EVE is a troll unto itself. Do yourself a favor, and don't join the recursion loop.

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Praetor Meles
Black Mount Industrial
Breakpoint.
#5 - 2013-06-16 18:07:25 UTC
Posting in stealth "nerf hisec" thread.

[insert random rubbish that irritates you personally] is further evidence that Eve is dying/thriving*

  • delete as required to make your point
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#6 - 2013-06-16 18:09:27 UTC

I suggest you play a more active roll helping new players. Perhaps a website and some giveaways. Perhaps you could make a training corp. Now maybe you're already doing these things, I don't know. Here's an example where the trolls come out in force against me trying to help a new person:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=248451

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#7 - 2013-06-16 18:14:59 UTC
Maybe posting in the new player forum area instead of GD would attract your intended audience.




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There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Craig Bennett2th
Bennett Corp
#8 - 2013-06-16 18:21:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Craig Bennett2th
Erotica 1 wrote:

I suggest you play a more active roll helping new players. Perhaps a website and some giveaways. Perhaps you could make a training corp. Now maybe you're already doing these things, I don't know. Here's an example where the trolls come out in force against me trying to help a new person:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=248451



I might do that down the road, but it will have to wait until I get a few more guides out on the Rookies in EVE.


They are coming in force like that on YouTube, but I'm able to delete and ban them. I am just trying to figure out why exactly they don't want anyone to help new players (if there is a reason).


Doc Fury wrote:
Maybe posting in the new player forum area instead of GD would attract your intended audience.







This is a general question.


Tah'ris Khlador wrote:
The idea of questioning the nature of trolls on both the internet and in EVE is a troll unto itself. Do yourself a favor, and don't join the recursion loop.


As I said to Erotica 1, I am just trying to find a reason to why they do what they do. Anyways, one thing I notice in this game is trolls/haters. It seems like whenever something or someone helps this game's longevity out, trolls come in force.
For example, when CCP puts out a GOOD update or someone helps noobs, people troll them.

Hell is around every turn. It's your choice to go in it or not. Please check out the Rookies in EVE video playlist. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLioOFeHwQV5yNk2vpz8wX9hihLVQEIKLt
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#9 - 2013-06-16 18:23:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Craig Bennett2th wrote:
For some reason, I've been having problems with trolls showing up to my videos. Now I have a lot of videos. Videos on reviews, helping people with computer problems, and so on. But, the one thing that seems to attract trolls is my videos where I'm making a guide for EVE. More than not, there is more trolls that show up on the videos where I help new players.

Here is a prime example. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LugAW77600s
One of the other videos I had an extreme problem with trolls is a video where I showed new players how to make an instan.


Now I don't mind trolls going to my videos. In fact, that means I get more money... I mean more views. At the end of the day, this gets me closer to investing in a better setup. Also, some trolls help out. Like, some trolls tend to say what exactly is wrong (with adding a lot of other useless crap).
However, the EVE videos have not been attracting trolls like that. They tend to attract trolls like in the link above. (BTW, look at the kids page. No videos, so this one doesn't know how it takes 2+ hours to make 1 video that's 15 or so min long. The kid lies about his age (obviously it's a guy).)

Assuming these trolls are EVE players (since it's targeted to only those videos), why do you think this is happening? Does long time EVE players want this game to die? (some people are leaving because they aren't getting any help from anyone until now (a lot of new players come up to me and they say thank you. They tell me there isn't too much out there on topics I cover)
Could it be these EVE players don't want to rely on their own skills? Like they want noobs to stay in the dark so they are basically sitting targets.


the trolls are like the bullies in school, they are people with low selfesteeme who just want to put others down to feel better, there are many in eve and they do not want more players to come to the game because they fear that other players see who they really are, at the moment they got things under control

they think they are cool but if more grownups come, they will loose that coolness and everybody will realize how pathetic they are, thats also a reason why they are afraid that girls come to the game because girls tend to just see the fools in them, thats also the reason why they are against WiS and more social activities in the game...

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Excrus Ite
Goggles Inc.
#10 - 2013-06-16 18:31:38 UTC
Trolls will always try to get a response out of people who post any original content. They'll latch onto something they don't like and dig their claws in. I don't upload videos but each time I comment on a physics video (I have a degree in physics and work in a lab) the crackpots come out in force. I had some nutjob send me a 2000 word rant once.

As for suggestions, Invest in a new mic ASAP. I didn't want to listen to more than half a minute of each video because of bad audio. If you want to monetize your channel, like you hint at, you'll make it easier for casual clickers to sit through the videos and it'll remove something for trolls to complain about.

Also, I rolled my eyes at the intro to your insta-undock tutorial. JonnyPew's intro is very recognizable, no one likes a copycat.
Craig Bennett2th
Bennett Corp
#11 - 2013-06-16 18:41:33 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
thats also the reason why they are against WiS and more social activities in the game...


That's funny you mention that. I've gotten a massive amount of trolls who cry about that when I said something like, I think walking in stations is great. In fact, the last one I deleted b...h about the WIS, and how I was talking about it in that same video I linked.

Anyways, I generally never understood those that hated the WIS when you're not forced to use it.


Excrus Ite wrote:

As for suggestions, Invest in a new mic ASAP.
Also, I rolled my eyes at the intro to your insta-undock tutorial. JonnyPew's intro is very recognizable, no one likes a copycat.


I can't afford one. The ones I need is around $200-$300. The one I have is http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000I4RMOU/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

As far as JonnyPew. I know of him, but the intro really relates to star trek. I've done some "space adventure" videos and missions, and that's what that intro is for. I never made an intro for the guides before Rookies in EVE.
The reason why I didn't make an intro is because I didn't know how far I was going to take the guides.

Hell is around every turn. It's your choice to go in it or not. Please check out the Rookies in EVE video playlist. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLioOFeHwQV5yNk2vpz8wX9hihLVQEIKLt
Jimmy Morane
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-06-16 18:48:03 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Craig Bennett2th wrote:
For some reason, I've been having problems with trolls showing up to my videos. Now I have a lot of videos. Videos on reviews, helping people with computer problems, and so on. But, the one thing that seems to attract trolls is my videos where I'm making a guide for EVE. More than not, there is more trolls that show up on the videos where I help new players.

Here is a prime example. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LugAW77600s
One of the other videos I had an extreme problem with trolls is a video where I showed new players how to make an instan.


Now I don't mind trolls going to my videos. In fact, that means I get more money... I mean more views. At the end of the day, this gets me closer to investing in a better setup. Also, some trolls help out. Like, some trolls tend to say what exactly is wrong (with adding a lot of other useless crap).
However, the EVE videos have not been attracting trolls like that. They tend to attract trolls like in the link above. (BTW, look at the kids page. No videos, so this one doesn't know how it takes 2+ hours to make 1 video that's 15 or so min long. The kid lies about his age (obviously it's a guy).)

Assuming these trolls are EVE players (since it's targeted to only those videos), why do you think this is happening? Does long time EVE players want this game to die? (some people are leaving because they aren't getting any help from anyone until now (a lot of new players come up to me and they say thank you. They tell me there isn't too much out there on topics I cover)
Could it be these EVE players don't want to rely on their own skills? Like they want noobs to stay in the dark so they are basically sitting targets.


the trolls are like the bullies in school, they are people with low selfesteeme who just want to put others down to feel better, there are many in eve and they do not want more players to come to the game because they fear that other players see who they really are, at the moment they got things under control

they think they are cool but if more grownups come, they will loose that coolness and everybody will realize how pathetic they are, thats also a reason why they are afraid that girls come to the game because girls tend to just see the fools in them, thats also the reason why they are against WiS and more social activities in the game...


I knew it, Harry! You were stuffed in a locker in high school! P
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#13 - 2013-06-16 18:49:12 UTC
Craig Bennett2th wrote:

Doc Fury wrote:
Maybe posting in the new player forum area instead of GD would attract your intended audience.


This is a general question.


I wasn't referring to this thread.

But, I don't know why you feel the need to bring a discussion about it here, unless you just want to hear that water is wet.





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There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Excrus Ite
Goggles Inc.
#14 - 2013-06-16 18:52:25 UTC
Craig Bennett2th wrote:

As far as JonnyPew. I know of him, but the intro really relates to star trek. I've done some "space adventure" videos and missions, and that's what that intro is for.


Ahh in that case I'm misinformed. Oops I noticed a similarity to another Eve youtuber's intro and thought it was deliberate.

As for the mic, I still highly recommend it. Maybe go with a cheaper model as a compromise in the meantime? Something that will cut out some of the reverb and rumble that I'm hearing in your videos now.
Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-06-16 18:57:47 UTC
Posting in OP blatantly advertising his videos thread. Roll
Craig Bennett2th
Bennett Corp
#16 - 2013-06-16 19:00:10 UTC
Excrus Ite wrote:
Craig Bennett2th wrote:

As far as JonnyPew. I know of him, but the intro really relates to star trek. I've done some "space adventure" videos and missions, and that's what that intro is for.


Ahh in that case I'm misinformed. Oops I noticed a similarity to another Eve youtuber's intro and thought it was deliberate.

As for the mic, I still highly recommend it. Maybe go with a cheaper model as a compromise in the meantime? Something that will cut out some of the reverb and rumble that I'm hearing in your videos now.



It's OK. But keep in mind the amount of YouTube channels out there. There is a high likely there is going to be a lot of similar content, even more so when people are talking about the same game/topic.

As far as my mic. I wonder if it's because the mic is too close or too far from my mouth.

Hell is around every turn. It's your choice to go in it or not. Please check out the Rookies in EVE video playlist. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLioOFeHwQV5yNk2vpz8wX9hihLVQEIKLt
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#17 - 2013-06-16 19:37:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Jimmy Morane wrote:


I knew it, Harry! You were stuffed in a locker in high school! P


god you are an annyoing jerk -> blocked

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#18 - 2013-06-16 21:08:24 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Jimmy Morane wrote:


I knew it, Harry! You were stuffed in a locker in high school! P


god you are an annyoing jerk -> blocked


rofl, this reaction is called "crap he got to close to the truth" Smile
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#19 - 2013-06-16 21:13:21 UTC
Craig Bennett2th wrote:
As far as my mic. I wonder if it's because the mic is too close or too far from my mouth.

Whatever it is, I can barely understand you at all. Better get it sorted out before you put more time into additional stuff.

Remove standings and insurance.
Darth Khasei
Wavestar Business Ventures Inc.
#20 - 2013-06-16 21:19:12 UTC
Respect.Cool

Honestly I don't see any point in questioning trolling on the 2013 internet. I seems to be the next level of the old school rotor dial prank call of the 70's on steroids.

Anytime you put out something for public consumption you can count on those that don't like it AND those that will troll it just because they can.

"ANY" fuel(concern, worry, thought, wonder, etc...) is just music to their ears and therefore should not be provided. Things tend to burn out pretty fast without fuel. Blink
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