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If you're aiming for null, why not just rent some null space?

Anything that brings NPCs in to look after space you're claiming for yourself is bad. You want it, you defend it.

Nice to see the expected comments.

What I want (and yes if you read the post it was me commenting somewhere else on a 'how I want to play' post) is a stepping stone out to null.

And no I don't want to join some massive established alliance or pay rent when in null space.

I would still need to defend what I had in low sec, but with some security, but a lot less than concord.

At the moment it's a cliff face drop from hi to low, which is one of the reasons it is so empty.

I do love the 'join up and become a part of a big group' lines. Not everyone in this game wants that and those same people usually complain about hi sec care bears who never leave it. All I'm suggesting is a way where there is more risk, and some extra gain, to entice smaller groups out of hi sec.

Without something just expect hi sec to stay as it is and get busier everyday, but with graduated risk/reward options people would move out.

It has been a little while since I have been in the 0.0 game so can you confirm that:

1)0.0 now has NPC navies/gate guns to help out pod pilots
2) 0.0 is no longer controlled by established alliances

Seems to me that any player/corp/alliances that is using NPC to help them defend thier space and/or doesnt want to be a part of a comp. alliance/NAP isnt really wanting a stepping stone to 0.0...... unless 1 and 2 have been put in the game while i was not looking.

Well as I haven't said this was sov in low sec, but rather renting from a faction as a stepping stone to carry on building to move out to 0.0, I can't see what you are getting at.

0.0 should rightly be what you can take and hold through your own might, with no convinient security force to help you.

Hi sec is minor holdings on planets and pos, with the full might of concord to protect you.

Low sec should allow for something in between where the sov is still the faction, and supplies some security, but players can control more and have to bolster the security to protect assets.

In that case, why didn't you post it as a proposal but as a random wish?
With your "I would like tos" and "maybes" thrown in, people here are not likely to take this seriously but as a welcome bait for trolling and name-calling. I believe you might serve your idea better if you proposed a clear and concise change and illuminated what previous discussion came up with as both advantages and disadvantages.
That way, you'd let readers make an informed decision whether they want to support the proposal or not.

Sorry if that sounds patronizing, but it grates terribly how good proposals everybody agrees on end up on page 2 after a couple of days by vague ideas that are discussed heatedly.

i did in a thread where somebody else had taken that approach and it was suggested I post here.

Also I expect that if it was to become a workable idea others would contribute and refine to something useful as I don't claim to have the answers to all of low secs problems or even claim this is the right idea. It's a thought that springs to mind and as so far all I have had is the expected negative stuff and join an alliance time I haven't been disuaded that it's a bad option.

I doubt it would be the best option and would expect that people with better knowledge of EVE than me to say why it wouldn't work, how it would unbalance the game or whether it's something that could be adapted to provide something that would encourage people out of hi, rather than the majority of comments that either say make hi care bear heaven or nerf it completely.

There has to be draw to low other than faction war or the few loners who play there.

was not wanting concord there, far too much, and not sov either.

I know about moons etc. in low sec

protection would have to be no auto-death scenario like concord, but something that could be avoided and hunt you at least while in system. Faction still owns and does not attack as you direct, only on agression. If you built a station you would have to conform to docking rights of the faction to a large extent, if not complete. It's always seemed daft to me that you can dock when being shot at, so it would need something to allow agressors or dec'd corps locked out.

I can agree that factions would not want to give up sov, but if you were in good standing with them (and the need to keep it there as a corp/alliance) and were willing to pay them tax and effectvley fund a safer area of low sec to increase trade and other income, why not?

Anything spent on upgrading the system if that was an option would have to be accepted as open to anybody not set as shoot on sight by the faction, so that it doesn't become a private semi sov excluding other people. If that's wanted it would have to be null and hold yourself.

If it was to work it would need the same costs as sov for upgrades etc., but without the exclusive rights. Still be unsafe, but not completely lawless. A place where you can break the law and get away with it without simply having to tank the gate sentries, but rather have the local coppers trying to find and kill you who you could fight back against with a chance of winning or play with brains and avoid.

i dont know what are you smoking

low sec is pretty safe for starters, just use mwd and cloak to get almost anywhere with perfect safety

then you have gate guns which keep campers off the gate most of the day, counting out some more frequently camped systems where you are not forced to go by any means

furthermore if you want protection you can either pay someone or gather a corp or alliance who protect you, it is still lot of safer than 0.0

and because non factionwar low sec is pretty much most useless space to be at the moment you're pretty safe almost anywhere you go, just look for some system not next to freaking jita.

if you use even a little bit of brain low sec is probably safer than hi sec, at least you know every neutral with guns probably tries to gank you.

just saying.

And valid and from experience I've sat in empty systems for hours with a lot less hassle than high. But the choke points out are the problem and i must admit I don't fancy cloaking my hulk unless ninja mining through worm holes.

I don't know any corp of players that will sit around alert for hours for a level of pay that would make the work in low worthwhile, and I don't blame them. Makes mining exciting if nobody turns up.

But the point that low sec is useless and empty is surely a good reason to change something so people want to go there and do something. As most in high sec are care bears, noobs, indy alts and small corps it seems sensible to pitch at those who would be willing to move for some gain.