Intergalactic Summit

Now that the Federation has demonstrated its willingness to suffer any indignity for peace by extraditing Msr. Broteau to the Tribal Entity.

When might we expect those responsible for ordering the deaths of all those thousands of Federation citizens in Colelie to be extradited or punished by the noble justice loving Matar?

Why just post a link to a news story with no comment? Do you think we can't find the news ourselves?

Yes, I did think before posting.
I don't mind someone opening a discussion thread as long as they discuss it. The OP contains no such discussion however, like in this one. I think it's a bit weird to asume that people will want to discuss something if you yourself do not.

I had completely forgotten about that. Maybe the minmatar should bring him back... or just let us handle coverage.

Despite how infuriating the Federation's belligerence and insults were, if the Federation stood by their convictions fully, at least they'd have earned some respect. But apparently Federation foreign policy boils down to trolling their allies, and then giving in to demands when things get heated. Sometimes, I think null-sec alliances are better at foreign policy.



Oh, look, it's the "journalist" who thinks the majority of Matari are criminals and outlaws because we "have our fair share" of criminals and outlaws, just like every other race.

Don't you have some bullshit to write and publish as "news"?



Funny you say that, since our complaint from the beginning was the fact that the Federation was refusing to act according to customs of interplanetary law regarding crimes against Heads of State.

Is that what you call it?

I prefer "state sanctioned murder of Federation Navy personnel" for the sake of accuracy.

I'm not expecting Broteau to be returned to the Federation, but I don't support sending a capital fleet over the border for him if (when) it happens.

Perhaps constitutionally the senate won't have any other choice but to take action if he's not returned, but I hope not. There has to be an end to this chain of events for everyone's sake, if it means backing down to a crowd of gloating and crowing "allies" then so be it.

You're attempting to take the moral high ground here? The Republic opened fire on Federation ships, charged into Federation space twice, and now you're taking the moral high ground because the Federation didn't stand by its principles, and here's the important bit, in your eyes?

You're adorable. Try again.

Calling a battle murder is beyond gross exageration. The battle at Colelie was a tragedy, yes, and based on current information, never should have happened. Even were there justification for going in, the whole thing was handled terribly from a strategic and tactical standpoint as well.

But yes, that was things getting heated, as in things escalating, which is a far more accurate way of saying it than your biased bullshit.



Not even remotely trying to take a moral high ground. There is no moral high ground in this whole affair. Moral high ground assumes either side acted with any sort of morality at all. I merely pointed out that Gallentean foreign policy is laughable and amounts to little more than trolling and then acquiescing when things get too hot.

After Colelie, what the Federation should have done, if they wanted to really make a statement of standing by their convictions and being "superior," is not give Broteau to us. Instead, you're brilliant government has told us that if we do want to "throw a tantrum" when we don't get our way, that'll get us what we want. So, not only has the Federation treated us like children, but they've proceeded to show themselves to be terrible parents.

To continue the analogy, if we are indeed children as the Federation seems to think, then congratulations to the Federation for spoiling us and teaching us that brattiness will get us what we want. \o/







Hello, Shintoko. I would remind you from our previous discussions, you're quite aware that I do not believe we had any sort of moral high ground or definitive justification for the battle at Colelie, and that when I point out what the Federation has and is doing wrong, it has nothing to do with whether or not Colelie was justified.

I know you're intelligent enough and competent enough to understand that, so please refrain from these asinine attempts at sarcasm.

So, then, is the deaths of Republic soldiers aboard the Naglfars murder as well? A battle between soldiers is not murder, unless maybe it's a massacre of defenseless soldiers who are attempting to surrender. Maybe if we had won the battle of Colelie you could try to claim it was murder, but we lost that battle quite decisively.''

Since you seem to lack your own dictionary, here, let me provide the information for you.

mur·der
/ˈmərdər/
Noun
The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
Verb
Kill (someone) unlawfully and with premeditation.

There was a battle, yes. There was death, yes. It was not, by definition, murder. A tragedy, yes, but not murder.

Could you possibly be any more condescending and arrogant? Are you even trying to get through to people or are you just enjoying being insufferable? An attack on an allied navy without a declaration of war is unlawful, which makes it murder on a mass scale. Would you say that it isn't murder if the Federation sent a capital fleet into your space and put a fleet of yours to the sword? Of course you would cry foul, because it would be murder. Who the victor is is irrelevant to whether it is murder or not.

Of course the Federation destruction of The Republic fleet isn't murder. You were in our territory, attacking our ships, violating our sovereignty in a fit of pique. I would also remind you that the Republic fired on us first, which in any civilized locale justifies response with lethal force.