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BREAKING NEWS: TIBUS HETH DENOUNCED BY CEP, TO BE OUSTED AS KK CEO
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Endeavour Starfleet
#41 - 2013-06-15 15:42:20 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Power-hungry bastards!

They can't do this!

He is the Hero of the State!


He led the state to ruin. The hero was the one who he forced to death for not killing countless innocents on Caldari Prime.

It's OVER! The faster Heth and the few supporters like you he has left realize this. The better things will be for the state you claim to serve. Then again I fully expect once he tries to break out of that station we will see you attempt fruitlessly to do something to distract the forces stopping him before being arrested for treason.
Nur AlHuda
Callide Vulpis
#42 - 2013-06-15 15:54:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Nur AlHuda
Oh caldari they tend to break so easily under pressure and loose. (cal-gal war, gallente faction occupied territories, caldari prime). No wonder that gallente can have knives near your necks all the time. No pride, no self respect - everythink can be calculated to the last cent even loyality.

If Heth looses the siege i predict complete breakdown of caldari forces and suing for peace with gallente.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#43 - 2013-06-15 16:13:07 UTC
Sorjat wrote:
Captain Tuulinen I admire your loyalty to the State, commend your statement and I'm Gallente no less. If you are in the station in Haatomo I suggest strongly that you surrender immediately to the CEP forces outside. I'm sure that you would not be alone in thinking that you no longer owe any loyalty to Tibus Heth as he is no longer State Executor. You might be wise to engineer a mass breakout of similarly minded Captains that remain in there with you.

Caldari justice will recognise your loyalty to the State and (most likely) grant an amnesty. This like all things remains in the hands of the Caldari themselves.

Best of luck Captain.


Oh no, Captain, I've been against Heth since he started running roughshod over the rights of the corporations and the traditions of our ancestors. I WILL be in Haatomo when the final showdown comes, but it will be to aid the CEP and Caldari Navy forces.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
DutchGunner
Circle of Abyss
Wicked Angels.
#44 - 2013-06-15 16:38:26 UTC
As the DED has declared this as being an internal affair of the State, I will not take any action, except occasional observation and enforcing the CONCORD regulations.

Should the State ask for additional support, I am more then willing to assist in ending the current situation in the Haatomo station. With hopefully no loss of life but at the very least the absolute minimum.

I hope the people onboard the station are not suffering.
Larissa Newport
Slavers Unbound
#45 - 2013-06-15 17:10:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Larissa Newport
I am not surprised at the decision as CEP board meetings rarely are about passion. I wish Heth all the best and thank him for the pride he filled our hearts with at those moments when we thought all was impossible.

Long live The State!

-- Chaos always wins, it is simply better organized.
Civ Kado
State War Academy
Caldari State
#46 - 2013-06-15 17:16:58 UTC
Larissa Newport wrote:
I am not surprised at the decision as CEP board meetings rarely are about passion. I wish Heth all the best and thank him for the pride he filled our hearts with at those moments when we thought all was impossible.

Long live The State!

Good one. Been a while since I had a good laugh.
Larissa Newport
Slavers Unbound
#47 - 2013-06-15 17:54:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Larissa Newport
Civ Kado wrote:
Larissa Newport wrote:
I am not surprised at the decision as CEP board meetings rarely are about passion. I wish Heth all the best and thank him for the pride he filled our hearts with at those moments when we thought all was impossible.

Long live The State!

Good one. Been a while since I had a good laugh.


You are laughing at a great strategist, consider the following:

I'm still very impressed how long he (and CEO's of other Patriot Corporations) could keep an entire Region (Black Rise) cloaked for us and the rest of the Empires until YC110. A good headstart in that Region was found by the Patriots to exploit the resources to an extent that there was even discussion within CEP if that region shouldn't become a Fourth District within the State. Now that was the moment I considered the impact of that new expansion and funds could lead to something great. And it did. Caldari Prime.

He's in my eyes one of the greatest strategists and CEO's by actually implementing his plans backed by self found expansions and funds during a substantial period. The State is better off then when he started. We are stronger and larger, we know Caldari Prime is not unreachable.

We only have failed to find the funds to continue a war of attrition. It is this failure that CEP holds against Heth. Heth tried to correct it by restructuring some subsidiaries of KK, but that was not enough. It could never have been enough. The Federation is financially stronger than the Patriots are alone, we have felt it yet again. Divided by vile Federation poliics. But biting that penny is yet again a firm reminder that the State is all of our corporations!

I hope CEP will choose a new executor that makes our bond stronger than ever, we cannot survive without it.

-- Chaos always wins, it is simply better organized.
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
#48 - 2013-06-15 19:08:02 UTC
Larissa Newport wrote:
Civ Kado wrote:
Larissa Newport wrote:
I am not surprised at the decision as CEP board meetings rarely are about passion. I wish Heth all the best and thank him for the pride he filled our hearts with at those moments when we thought all was impossible.

Long live The State!

Good one. Been a while since I had a good laugh.


You are laughing at a great strategist, consider the following:

I'm still very impressed how long he (and CEO's of other Patriot Corporations) could keep an entire Region (Black Rise) cloaked for us and the rest of the Empires until YC110. A good headstart in that Region was found by the Patriots to exploit the resources to an extent that there was even discussion within CEP if that region shouldn't become a Fourth District within the State. Now that was the moment I considered the impact of that new expansion and funds could lead to something great. And it did. Caldari Prime.

He's in my eyes one of the greatest strategists and CEO's by actually implementing his plans backed by self found expansions and funds during a substantial period. The State is better off then when he started. We are stronger and larger, we know Caldari Prime is not unreachable.

We only have failed to find the funds to continue a war of attrition. It is this failure that CEP holds against Heth. Heth tried to correct it by restructuring some subsidiaries of KK, but that was not enough. It could never have been enough. The Federation is financially stronger than the Patriots are alone, we have felt it yet again. Divided by vile Federation poliics. But biting that penny is yet again a firm reminder that the State is all of our corporations!

I hope CEP will choose a new executor that makes our bond stronger than ever, we cannot survive without it.



Wait... What... I can't...

The level of ignorance being shown here is astounding.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
Gabriel Darkefyre
Gradient
Electus Matari
#49 - 2013-06-15 19:28:51 UTC
Larissa Newport wrote:


You are laughing at a great strategist, consider the following:

I'm still very impressed how long he (and CEO's of other Patriot Corporations) could keep an entire Region (Black Rise) cloaked for us and the rest of the Empires until YC110.


Up to YC110, Heth was an MTAC Operator. He became KK's CEO and almost immediately, the existence of Black Rise became public knowledge.

I'm frankly unimpressed with his abilities at concealment that you are highlighting.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#50 - 2013-06-15 21:07:03 UTC
Coyote Torres wrote:
James Syagrius wrote:


He has not changed, only your perceptions of him have.

As long as he was victorious you were willing to support his atrocities.

Wrap yourselves in your illusions of duty and honor if you will, but the worst lies we tell are to ourselves.


I'm not sure where you get that from but, whatever, I'll bite.

Heth never had much support from State capsuleers.

Just because there's something broken with the executive didn't mean that State loyalists were going to up and leave their homes in some kind of petulant protest. Instead they very sensibly kept their mouths shut, and did what they could to reduce the harm done from the inside.

Change was only ever going to come from within the State.


I know, but I seem to recall that most State capsuleers cheered for the retaking of Caldari Prime back in time, that is all.

I am sorry that you feel that it is taking some kind of moral high ground.
Dheeradj Nurgle
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#51 - 2013-06-15 21:49:20 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Coyote Torres wrote:
James Syagrius wrote:


He has not changed, only your perceptions of him have.

As long as he was victorious you were willing to support his atrocities.

Wrap yourselves in your illusions of duty and honor if you will, but the worst lies we tell are to ourselves.


I'm not sure where you get that from but, whatever, I'll bite.

Heth never had much support from State capsuleers.

Just because there's something broken with the executive didn't mean that State loyalists were going to up and leave their homes in some kind of petulant protest. Instead they very sensibly kept their mouths shut, and did what they could to reduce the harm done from the inside.

Change was only ever going to come from within the State.


I know, but I seem to recall that most State capsuleers cheered for the retaking of Caldari Prime back in time, that is all.

I am sorry that you feel that it is taking some kind of moral high ground.



Heth did things many can agree with. He also went mad with power it seems.
John Caligan
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#52 - 2013-06-15 23:01:09 UTC
Personally, I've never agreed with Heth. I've always taken a moderate approach, and a profit approach. Why do we need Caldari Prime, really? It serves the State no purpose but to be a propaganda piece and a constant burden on resources. Personally, I would rather that Leviathan had fired it's weapons in-atmosphere, the whole damn problem gone in one fell swoop. The humanitarian side I could care less for- leave that to the Gallente, who seem to have this odd desire to sing Kumbaya whenever someone feels in the least bit oppressed, but that's a debate for another time.

What matters now is that the State has finally learned that there is a difference between passion and prosperity, and has decided that Heth has by choosing the former, almost doomed us to never again experience the latter. I personally have moved a combat vessel to Haatomo, and I hope that other Caldari pilots will see this as I do, as an opportunity to show their Patriotism, and bring their ships to support the neutralization of the menace known as Tibus Heth.

That said, I do say neutralize, rather than eliminate, because I believe the best course of action is not to simply kill the man, but to have him taken into custody to face trial at an international war crimes court, so that he can answer for his crimes.

Then, we should stone him to death, because that **** makes sense.
Coyote Torres
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#53 - 2013-06-16 10:46:32 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:


I know, but I seem to recall that most State capsuleers cheered for the retaking of Caldari Prime back in time, that is all.


I think you'll find that restoration of the Civire and Deiteis homeworld has been a commitment of the State long before Heth.

I don't think its in any way fair of you to barge into a discussion that doesn't concern you in the slightest and attempt to muddy the waters by painting anybody that initially celebrated the possible restoration of their freaking homeworld as shoulder to shoulder with Heth and the dragonaurs.

It was an unsustainable action that cost the State dearly, and imposed intolerable conditions on people on the surface of Caldari Prime. There's a lot that still needs fixing down there, it cost Admiral Yanala her life to start setting right all the damage Heth did, and put us onto a course where we can continue to negotiate a solution to Caldari Prime that's acceptable to most everyone.

Now he's on the way out, we've got an opportunity to do this right.

Lyn Farel wrote:


I am sorry that you feel that it is taking some kind of moral high ground.


Apology accepted, the door is over there.
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