EVE General Discussion

Sometimes, the EVE forum community reminds me of jail.

Back when my career started, I worked in a county jail as a Guard so I got to deal with inmates daily. 1st day of training my training officer took me around the various units with a cart to do "Med Call" where we'd give the inmates pain relievers, cold/sinus pills, anti-tich cream, whatever.. The inmates were in open bays rather than cells and us guard would walk the hallways between bays. At med call a line would form at the window to the hallway.

I asked the 1st inmate in line what he wanted and he said "Asprin and Cold Busters". I started to hand them to him and the training officer stopped me. He said "never hand it to them, pour a cup of water, put the pills in the water, wait 30 seconds then give it to them, Make sure they drink down the pills before you move on to the next". After Med call I asked him why.

He told me that the inmates would take the pills and hoard them and make stronger drugs, or crush them up, mix them with tobacco, roll it up and smoke it to get high......

Later I watched inmates make grilled cheese sandwich with Clothes Irons, watched one dude make a coffee heating element out of a broken light bulb and a piece of wire (the coffee given to inmates for breakfast was usually cold by the time it made it to the last bays), I saw all kinds of creativity and ingenuity, as well as scams, lying and complaining. mostly complaining, about the "man", the police, society, the laws, etc etc.

I learned something about them. If those same creative inmates put that creativity to good use rather than being freaking criminals, every single one of them would not only be free, they'd be rich, and not just regular rich, but BILL GATES rich..

If these people complaining about some game feature that negatively affects them spent more time on figuring things out and less time complaining about it on a forum, there'd be no cloaky camping because it would be less than useless.

i wouldnt - you wouldnt .. but amazingly some people do - and i think its just for giggles.

its amazing how many cyno fit cloakies are rolling around in my kneck of the woods.. maybe they are all looking for carriers rating .. not 100% sure what they are thinking about

on a side note i do sometimes mine with one mackinaw - never gets touched as the hostiles assume its a trap

And here I thought the jail analogy was about the forums being full of sodomy and random shanking...

I go the other route. I go the "Super-Bear" route.


I don't rat in fleet with my corp mates usually, I don't rely on being able to call for help. I use ships and modules that allow me to escape from traps. I use warp core stabs, I use ECM bursts, I use FoF missiles or drone boats (so i can use warp core stabs lol). I assign fights to ships with built in stabs like Impels and here lately the Venture, I use Micro Jump drives etc etc.

This game literally has hundred of tools and tactics that can be used to survive hostile action. And these complainers use exactly NONE of them no matter if they are in null or high.

I find that utterly ridicules.

The Sodomy and random shanking happens in game.

I dunno Jenn. I have been involved in a few conversations on here where I am pretty sure someone got nailed.

The choice is fly "suboptimal ship" and make some isk or explode (or stay docked) and make none. Choose one.

thing i find funny is most of the "hostiles" in local never fight, i am guessing they must be risk adverse too. they want their pvp kills on a platter, and in that reagrd the afk claoky is actually a problem .. to that end i think all the player rats should support the anti afk cloaky movement.

if there wernt afk cloakies .. then all the nullbears would be out and about at their nullbear picnics, providing more targets of opportunity for the hostiles.

perahps afk cloakers are actually in place due to blue alliance leadership to keep their nullbears safe and not living in ignorance of their true danger out in null sec from the roaming pvp wolves.

just saying ...

You are wrong, people complain about afk isk income, that has nothing to do with being afk in game.
Using your flawed logic CCP should implement an anti afk timer (let's say 10 min) that kick you from the game if you don't move/shoot something right?
There is nothing wrong with people being afk just fot the sake of being afk.

You have a backwards wauy at looking at things.

The cloakers are doing EVE a service by slowing the rate at which new isk and materials are added to the game (ie cloakers are anti-inflationary). They occasionally kill unwary ratters and that's WAY more valuable to the EVe economy than some dude crunching rocks or killing npcs. The cloakers for people to innovate to counter them (as I have) etc etc.

Those cloakers (afk or not) do way more for EVE Online than the people they are "forcing" (lol) to stay docked. As a mostly PVE player I hate them for disrupting my comfort zone, while loving them...for disrupting my comfort zone.


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Yesterday a guy came in a Cloaked in my ratting system in Catch. I fit a MWD+ cloak , found a non-upgraded system with natural/random anoms and did a sanctum and 2 havens. The last haven escalated to a 10/10 and I made almost 2 bil from the drop....I drop I might not have gotten if i hadn't had to leave my upgraded system.

Thanks for the isk AFK CLOAKER, this Buds for you.