EVE General Discussion

You might hate it, but it seems like a good move for EVE. Get some more streams going. /shrug. Not sure how I feel about it personally but if it helps EVE grow I'm alright with it...until facebook/twitter buttons pop up and take a SS of you in game. Then I will vomit.

Again the thing is. Unless they address the ability to go away from the client while cloaked. A good chunk if not most of the new streams will be Intel streams of enemy systems with no real possibility of removing them. It won't even be people "playing" EvE and I doubt folks will be convinced to join EvE watching a staging system.

Watching newer players first days of EVE and asking questions would be healthy for EVE in my opinion. And help identify the remaining confusing aspects for newer players that can be addressed,

That assumes of course that the EVE Channel is not buried under a bunch of "CL0AKY INTEL DIS SYSTEM WITH MAh Music lol" Channels due to the current ability of the Cloaking module to go away from you computer for extended periods while cloaked.

CCP needs an official killboard with full Facebook integration.

This is a direct aspect of streaming that is already happening. This is not a "what if" People are already making use of the cloaking system to broadcast enemy staging systems while not having to be at the computer. What I would like to know is if they intend for a good chunk if not most of the EVE streaming to be something that isn't gameplay in the least or even has the streamer there to interact with the viewers for more than a few mins after downtime as the cloak is set back up.

So again CCP will you please answer this? Do you intend this? If not. Will you address the abilities of the cloaking modules to discourage people from being away from their client (and streaming) while cloaked?

They would have to also find a way to program in the feed playing ads. That would really break the immersion you are trying to achieve by watching in the CQs in my opinion.

Again the issue with any kind of "Twitch tv or other video site to Station or Captain's quarters" Is that they would have to implement the way those sites serve ads. Not exactly easy (The site itself uses flash) Also they would have to implement an H264 decoder. (As it is a commercial game they would have to get a license to do this from the MPEG)

CCP any response to my question earlier?

To be fair, most people have Twitch in the background watching other E-sports streams anyway. I personally welcome this. I would not welcome twitter or facebook because they are not gaming sites. However, twitch is a pure gaming site and what harm could come from this?

1: Yeah, well, I heard some rumors about certain large alliances posting their actual wheeners.

2: If they really want to, they can learn to install XSPLIT/OBS quite quickly.

On the content note, there are many things you can do. Crappy stuff, good stuff.

Look at YT: Day of Darkness II, The three "Clear Skies" machinimas. They are excellent works. That all took a lot of time to produce.
There are very well made Alliance ads on YT. etc.
There is also a truckload of crap EVE videos, with people showing off their oh-so-brave kills. All fine. Don't watch them. Be selective.

The thing is YT, Twitch, Vimeo, Wordpress, Flickr, Amazon (self-published EBooks) etc give all of us the ability to produce very easily. They cannot give all of us the talent or time. So there will always be a lot of crap. And there will always be something mediocre and some few masterpieces.

If you want to go back to the days where you had to beg someone to pleeease consider your book, music, video in their publishing house/label/TV station you are either a music producer with nostalgic remembrance of free favors given or you are a very much anachronistic example citizen of our confused global world (like myself... ;)).

Back on topic:
I don't see many reasons to stream normal gameplay on Twitch.tv either. Mostly I use it sometimes when I play Blood Bowl or Guns of Icarus Online, and then only for select games. But others might e.g. create an EVE News Channel, or sell a password to others for certain intelligence service (Twitch allows for passworded channels) etc.

In short, like anything else, there will be smart uses for it and dumb uses for it.

As far as twitter goes: It has it uses.
Facebook: I personally hate it so much, I would be banned from the forum if I gave my opinion on FB.

Just to show you I'm not comfortable with all forms of "social media" either.

There will be, but on the client side. You need a computer fast enough and enough bandwidth to handle it.
You can scale it down of course. But as an example, the computer I'm playing EVE on is a 2 years old HP Media computer atm. So truly not state of the art. My internet connection is fast and has a decent upload rate, but it is not exactly a semi-industrial line.

I think most people will be fine. If you work with a 56K modem out of a trailer, you will not.

And of course all that only applies when you turn streaming on. (You should also make sure you check how much bandwidth you use per hour or so, unless you have an ISP that gives you unlimited bandwidth.)

For me, streaming 3 hours in decent HD quality using XSPLIT and Twitch.tv costs me about 1gig of my monthly allowance.
I never tried with EVE to be honest, but e.g. Guns of Icarus Online. And I could of course downtune it a lot. And still get good results.

When I record EVE with FRAPS though, which uses a much larger uncompressed format, I don't feel any impact on the game at all. (With FRAPS of course you don't have to worry about bandwidth, you are just recording... But the impact on your local hardware is harsher.)

Guess the answer would be: You can either use it, you can use it in a limited way. Or you try and never touch that button again afterwards. (Or upgrade...). Still, as said, I think for most it will work fine, unless they have very restrictive ISP or use antique hardware.)

Actually, I think I'll test an EVE Stream one of these days and see what I get out of it.