Ships & Modules

so im at an impass and trolling google/local chat channels etc has not paid off--

this may be vague but i am trying to be as detailed as possible: I plan on doing mostly solo pvp because my hours with work and vs server time are very strange, but I will be doing some small gang stuff also. I dont really intend on ganking because as a miner i dont want it done to me, but COUNTER ganking is what i am interested...

if some jerk blows my mining ship up i want to be able to use that license for revenge haha.

my specific issue is in deciding between gallente or minmatar FIRST, and blasters or autos or if arty is better for what I want to do or....i dont know....anyway I am 1 day from completion of gunnery 5 so its decision time--i need to pick a direction and stick with it!

in terms of ships i like the looks of minmatar wins until you get to talos and 'thron.


Thanks for the help this is my first time posting on here or really any game forum (other than the occasional rage on blizz back in the day) :-p

I hate to shine people off of a good pvp boat but if you're looking for an anti-gank vessel look no further that your trusty procurer. Bait tank it with tackle and hob II's. Then just say in local "afk for a smoke" or something of the sort. When the cat fleet lands just tackle, release drones and troll the gankers in local as concord does what they do.

Please post your km's in this thread so we can laugh at your would-be dispatchers too.

Now for solo pvp, mini. Small armor gang, gallente

another thing i had been thinking about (thank you for the advice by the way)....which fighting tactic is more idiot proof haha. I have a feeling either way I will be losing a great deal of ships early, which is cool-- and also very funny to me. Is staying in close range and blasting easier to accomplish for an idiot pilot or is kiting and not dealing with cap issues as much.

I know i am making this entirely too complicated in an already complicated game but it just seems like using autos and keeping people in safe range while not out running the target and getting out of gun range. by the way initially im looking mostly just at tech2 frigs (though i would definitely not be using them at first for combat haha) and dessies because i have lvl 5

Are rifters still the best choice for flying around and getting blown up until i learn the ropes or is it 'obsolete' with odyssey...do people arty pvp often/more or less effectively than autos and blasters? Alright stopping before this turns into stream of consciousness questions because I have many and youre the first helpful group ive had the pleasure of annoying :)

That depends. If you're facing a noob, definitely run in and blast it until it goes away, meaning you'd get the most out of blaster boats. But as soon as you're facing a semicompetent opponent, it gets a lot harder to "run in" and a kiter may be a better choice. For instance, as Hannott above said, Condor can be an amazing little ship, because it can project damage, it doesn't depend on angular velocity and it can fly FAST.

Personal opinion, though - you learn the most by flying the hardest ships. Slow, low damage, whatever weakness it has, if you learn how to beat the odds, you'll have it easier when you switch to something "better". Hannott above said that Rifter currently sucks. It doesn't, but it's not the be all end all it used to be. This means an average player that learnt how to pvp in it will have a much harder time keeping up with previous "underdogs" than he used to, because the ship no longer carries him.



But here's the thing - what if you face a Rail Merlin? It'll beat you in dps at range, so you'll need to get up close and use your tracking advantage to beat him. That's the true value of projectile ships - if they engage in the other weapon's optimal range, they'll lose. Badly. But if they use their versatility, they can engage a lot of different targets, just doing it differently for different ones. Brawling a Blaster boat and kiting a Laser boat is a bad idea. However, kiting a Blaster boat and brawling a Laser boat works.

So in short, any ship works, as long as you fit it correctly and know what to use when and how. For instance, just because Void gives you the largest EFT dps number, it doesn't mean that it'll also be the largest damage applied, nor does it tell you that you'll actually win the fight. Sometimes, the one with more tank can outtank the damage. Other times, the extra range from Null offsets the Void's close range damage. Still other times, it's all about properly overheating your propulsion or web. Sadly, nobody can really tell you what will suit your style other than trying.

To return to the original question of which weapon to pick - imo, train both small weapons to T2, then see which one suits your playstyle better. Take 10 of each frigates, lose them in combat, then see which one you can make work the way you play and where you went wrong.

Minmatar tactics are harder to implement if you are too nervous in battle. Gallente are a bit easier, but very likely amarr has the most simple tactics ( brute force based).

Riftgers are a bit obsolete, merlins if I am not mistaken are the current flavor of the year for t1 frigates

why not get both? but go for minmitar first imo

getting both opens up some nice ship choices. like the cynabal, mach and vindi

Horrible advice from a player in an NPC Corp.

Gallente are the current in focus race. Only the slow people did not get that yet.

Simply Ignore COMPLETELY what this guy posted.

Gallente!

This goes for you and just you and here is why:

You say you are a miner.

This means drone skills can benefit you while mining as well.

You don't even need to train up any type of gun.
Just use nuets. (( Use that SP for indy stuff ))

Gallente: Drones dps / energy neuts / Mid slots for tackle (( since you are solo ))
Use the low slots for more dps or tank.

you guys have convinced me, i am going to focus hybrids and gallente first...then remap to a more level remap *sorry if i sound crazy just got off work it might make sense might not* just i was already mapped for percep and will power so i wanted to utilize this remap and gun skills use it so i figured level gun skills and ship skills now then remap for all my other stuff


if this is a bad idea please tell me I just sort of jumped into this because everyone said it was the last bastion of 'real' haha gaming and they were right its a true challenge to learn