EVE General Discussion

The term "outsider". Why are we outsiders, exactly? Why do you SEE us as outsiders? Here's the thing.... Unless these nerds have been on mars for the last 10 years, they are probably commonly in situations where they interact with women at least on some level. And they know that this is not acceptable, and hasn't been for years. But they feel safe in expressing this way here for a couple of simple reasons... a)they're "anonymous" and b) they believe that in some way, the gender ratios here should allow for bullying behaviour..

When I go into a game I expect to deal with both men and women the way I do in rl with minor obvious differences related to the specifics of the game world(roleplaying, competition, etc)

For the record, I don't care about the lighthearted "that's what she said" and "you know how I know you're gay" banter. But truly, the racist and sexist bs needs to go. It's ironic that EvE, a futuristic scifi MMORPG, should express social values from 50 years ago.

And when someone is specifically targeted or ostracised, it's different. Hopefully, this thread and others like it will inspire some actual intestinal fortitude in folks who know it's wrong and they will speak up in the future.

I interpret this as a polite version of 'you're just too sensitive'.

I don't think it's really a question of whether it should be taken seriously. I find people like this repulsive to be around and
I'd rather not have to deal with them in my leisure time. The original question was how to get more women to play the game, and I think a good start would be not to alienate the ones who are already subscribed.

No, it only goes that way when everyone turns a blind eye to it and allows it to continue, either because they don't want to make themselves a target by speaking up, or because they themselves think it's OK to say stuff online that would get you a punch/slap in the face if you tried saying it in a face to face conversation.

So sexism, racism, homophobia, xenophobia, etc, etc, etc, are all OK as long as the comments aren't specifically directed at a particular person? And anyone who thinks someone else has stepped over the line should STFU because speaking up about it is just being selfish and "censoring other people to pad [their] own level of comfort"...? That's just BS, and it's that kind of attitude that results in "the overall tone and level of discourse on the internet [being] different [to] face to face interaction".

I get the feeling you are just one of those stupid retards that don't know how to deal with other people Kaarous.

It's very simple...respect others, Period.

If you think something is funny, then try to look at it from the other end of the conversation and understand that typed text can be read in different ways.

And NO, the TS3 admin is not at fault, the person who makes other people (doesn't matter if it's gender/race/religion/sexuality or what so ever) uncomfortable is at fault. He should learn how to respect people. And judging by your posting, you should too.

So if I start talkign to a random person in local how a ******** SoB you are...it's apparantly fine, as it's not DIRECTED at you.

And as I said before, it's not an issue that's CCP's to solve. Nothing that CCP have done requires or even incentivises us to treat female players badly.

It's our problem and it down to us to recognise it exists and then to try and work on it.

Yes, this. I wouldn't want CCP to take action to censor or try to control player speech specifically to make female players feel welcome. I have no desire at all for people to get gagged or banned on my behalf.

Thanks... A big thumbs up for both the absolute accuracy of that statement and the Neal Stephenson reference. I literally wanna hit "like" about 100x ..... I've read that one twice, but totally forgot that quote

Right.On.The.Money.

I never said that.

What I'm saying is that at some point a person (whether playing a game or living life) has to accept (to some degree) the world's imperfections. As a black man from the Southern United States (who has an affinity for white girl avatars in video games...where the white women at?....) I can either hold my breath till I turn blue (really hard for me lol) and wait for each and every white person to like me, or I can learn to not give a damn about what others think and not care about the few ignorant white folks (thankfully a minority) who hate me for my skin. I choose the latter because I've grown fond of breathing.

Same in EVE. The best I can realistically expect is that my corp and alliance will have rules against the worst racist behavior (they do) and that's about it. No amount of doing anything else is going to change the wider culture of the community (a community of anonymous people shouting at each other on 3rd party comms) given the types of people who play it (most of whom are decent human beings of course). What could we do, war-dec every suspected racist or sexist? At least that way their might be some npc corp reform (lol).

In cases like these, I think the onus is on the individual to decide just where their personal line is. If a person can't put up with a little stupidity/racism/ignorance/sexism/Bullshit they probably made a bad choice in making internet gaming a hobby. This is not acceptance of those bad things, it's simply dealing with a reality i have to live with every day.

For those of you who need a primer, this is a great example of "lighthearted banter that happens to include stereotypical jokes", as opposed to hate-filled spiteful direct attacks.

I love it

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