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OMG, those CCP bastards

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Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
#1 - 2013-06-13 11:43:40 UTC
User Interface

The scanner window will show the correct distance to single probe and pre-loaded results.

Really. **** CCP. Put in sig strength then they take it away again.
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#2 - 2013-06-13 11:55:21 UTC
What does that even mean?

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Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
#3 - 2013-06-13 12:00:15 UTC
Terrorfrodo wrote:
What does that even mean?


It means someone is angry, but I'm not sure why yet.

http://www.wormholes.info
Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
#4 - 2013-06-13 12:18:22 UTC
Nathan Jameson wrote:
Terrorfrodo wrote:
What does that even mean?


It means someone is angry, but I'm not sure why yet.


Yes, I am angry. This should explain it. http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/dsp/wormhole.html
The sensor overlay in odyssey automatically showed sig strength masked as distance in the scanner window. Very few people knew about this.
Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
#5 - 2013-06-13 12:29:26 UTC
Adriana Nolen wrote:
Yes, I am angry. This should explain it. http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/dsp/wormhole.html
The sensor overlay in odyssey automatically showed sig strength masked as distance in the scanner window. Very few people knew about this.


So you're angry CCP fixed a bug that you were keeping to yourself?

http://www.wormholes.info
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#6 - 2013-06-13 12:34:51 UTC
Adriana Nolen wrote:
Nathan Jameson wrote:
Terrorfrodo wrote:
What does that even mean?


It means someone is angry, but I'm not sure why yet.


Yes, I am angry. This should explain it. http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/dsp/wormhole.html
The sensor overlay in odyssey automatically showed sig strength masked as distance in the scanner window. Very few people knew about this.


Hadn't got as far as working out all that - didn't realise anyone had - but as per my earlier post I'd noticed the discrepancy between the distances on the overlay and the dscan window and was starting to work out that they were in bands, probably fair few other people had noticed to.
Random Woman
Very Professional Corporation
#7 - 2013-06-13 12:35:16 UTC
Nathan Jameson wrote:

So you're angry CCP fixed a bug that you were keeping to yourself?


swiftanbitter might not have been the best place to "hide" it then i guess.

CCP should just give the old interface back + let the probe fomations in. I cant stand the cheerfull colours and bars of the new one, I want numbers, for the same reason, i am typing this text and not draw a picture, to comunicate.
Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
#8 - 2013-06-13 12:36:46 UTC
Well I wasn't keeping it to myself. i read it on the forums; https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=245445
Some ass hat wrote a detailed bug report which CCP pounced upon like vultures. Apparently, this bug was fixed "Soon" ie within a week.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-06-13 12:53:47 UTC
Adriana Nolen wrote:
Nathan Jameson wrote:
Terrorfrodo wrote:
What does that even mean?


It means someone is angry, but I'm not sure why yet.


Yes, I am angry. This should explain it. http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/dsp/wormhole.html
The sensor overlay in odyssey automatically showed sig strength masked as distance in the scanner window. Very few people knew about this.


Yea it was a lame bug that was bound to be fixed sooner rather than later. I'd rather have the proper distances shown. Sig strength is easier to figure out with other methods anyhow.

Scanning has already been taken to stupidly easy levels. It doesn't need to be any easier.

Nice seeing you back to posting with one of your WH alts instead of that silly NPC corp alt.
Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
#10 - 2013-06-13 13:12:52 UTC
Apparently they just hid it again. The variance in overlay range = sig strength now. Yay quick math.
Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
#11 - 2013-06-13 13:29:57 UTC
Adriana Nolen wrote:
Apparently they just hid it again. The variance in overlay range = sig strength now. Yay quick math.


Reading counts as math these days? No wonder America has such poor academic placings.

http://www.wormholes.info
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#12 - 2013-06-13 14:29:26 UTC
I knew that table but never paid much attention to it because it has several obvious errors in it.

But what did you need those distance trick for when the signal strength conveys the exact same information already?

I use one combat probe at 64 AU... signal strength 1.3% means size 10, 0.9% means 6.67 etc. I never paid any attention to the distance column, in fact I always had it outside of my scanner window boundaries.

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notha atfast
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#13 - 2013-06-13 14:39:06 UTC
Nathan Jameson wrote:
Adriana Nolen wrote:
Apparently they just hid it again. The variance in overlay range = sig strength now. Yay quick math.


Reading counts as math these days? No wonder America has such poor academic placings.


Math is Numbers...Letters are not math and should be excluded...why is that so hard. I suck at reading and counting...I'm an equal opportunity idiot.
Feer Truelight
#14 - 2013-06-13 14:44:43 UTC
To be honest: I'm happy that scanning is more accessible (*not* easier). We've got quite some traffic (read: kills) in our wormhole since Odyssey Smile

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Conci Furiram
EVE University
Ivy League
#15 - 2013-06-13 18:51:26 UTC
They took our DSPs; they redeemed themselves by giving us distances. Now that's gone.

At least give us a USEFUL probe formation for checking bands. The spread formation is nice if it were not for having TWO probes in the center. Is there no dev that understands how wormholers live? We need the ability to quickly scan a system and knowing which signatures to scan; I can't imagine scanning down every single signature in a chain...
pierre arthos
Overload This
#16 - 2013-06-13 22:28:20 UTC
Well, the simplest fix would be to enable a third preset scanning formation, with all probes on top of each other and range set to 64AU. This would then give you your signature size breakdown. This one simple fix and I might even forgive CCP for making my scanning Proteus obsolete. Cry
Durzel
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#17 - 2013-06-14 09:05:24 UTC
Conci Furiram wrote:
They took our DSPs; they redeemed themselves by giving us distances. Now that's gone.

At least give us a USEFUL probe formation for checking bands. The spread formation is nice if it were not for having TWO probes in the center. Is there no dev that understands how wormholers live? We need the ability to quickly scan a system and knowing which signatures to scan; I can't imagine scanning down every single signature in a chain...

CCP doesn't want people to be able to know at a glance (aka old DSP behaviour) what sigs are worth scanning down. That much is clear from their intent.

I tend to think that being able to know at a glance what signatures are worth scanning down was broken. People talk about it like it was some feat of skill but really it was just insider undocumented knowledge. I'm sure when CCP conceived of scanning they didn't think "we'll let people bypass the whole process of discovering sites by letting them work out within 10 seconds of jumping in what is worth scanning down"
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#18 - 2013-06-14 10:54:35 UTC
Durzel wrote:
I tend to think that being able to know at a glance what signatures are worth scanning down was broken. People talk about it like it was some feat of skill but really it was just insider undocumented knowledge. I'm sure when CCP conceived of scanning they didn't think "we'll let people bypass the whole process of discovering sites by letting them work out within 10 seconds of jumping in what is worth scanning down"

No it was not intended but all the best things in EVE have developed out of unintended behaviour. Like permanent residence in a wormhole for example Big smile

Being better and faster at something because you have insider knowledge is what EVE is about. Hidden layers beneath the obvious.

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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-06-14 11:17:14 UTC
Conci Furiram wrote:
They took our DSPs; they redeemed themselves by giving us distances. Now that's gone.

At least give us a USEFUL probe formation for checking bands. The spread formation is nice if it were not for having TWO probes in the center. Is there no dev that understands how wormholers live? We need the ability to quickly scan a system and knowing which signatures to scan; I can't imagine scanning down every single signature in a chain...


This formation is fine. Not perfect but still fine

Launch probes
drag to 64au
deactivate first probe
scan
reactivate first probe
Continue scanning.
Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
#20 - 2013-06-14 11:24:06 UTC
I'm starting to get good at rage rolling. Finally, an army of alts pays off.
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