Missions & Complexes

first note .. take the right ship
general rule of thumb .. Level 3's is BC, Level 4's is BS

Train for a Tech 2 Active Tank, fit Tech 1 items if you don't have lots of isk, but get the skills
Use www.eve-survival.org to get mission info .. if you hit the triggers too soon, even the best tanking ship will explode.
Train for Tech 2 launchers, and missile support skills



Your main problem is L3 missions still throw a lot of frigate/cruiser sized ships at you .. Cruise missiles work better on battleship sized targets

Option 1. Drake.

Option 2. Fit heavy missile on CNR to kill smaller things.

Option 3. SNI, BIG tank and with good drone skills nothing should stand in your way.

Lvl 3's I prefer option 1.

So I have a few points but let's start here: there is no way getting and loading Fury missiles will help you run L3s faster/more effectively. Fury missiles are specifically designed to hit large, slow targets hard while doing reduced damage to smaller, faster targets. In L3 missions, most of what you see are small/fast targets, and being able to kill the stray battleship [maybe] faster [if you have good support skills] won't help you complete missions faster on a whole.

To know exactly what's going right and wrong, it would help to have two bits of information. First, your specific fit. Chances are you can improve it, even if you really oughtn't be using a Raven in L3s in the first place. But if you have to, it would be better to know what you're starting with.

The second is your skills. You might want to consider signing up for eveboard but barring that it would help to know a ballpark of what your skills look like (e.g., 5mil in missiles, 2mil in shield tank, BS 4, BC 3 -- something like that).

So yeah. More information will get you more helpful responses. As it is, it's hard to say the best way to improve your performance.

you're using a sledgehammer to try and kill flies

Navy raven is dumb to be using in level 3s because most things you will face are cruisers and frigates and cruise missiles can't apply damage well to them.

Get a drake, learn how to fit it and run level 3s with that.

Really thank you all for your advices a preciate it that would surely help so thanks again.

Let's see what we can do. I don't particularly care for the Caracal fit already posted, so here's another one:

[Caracal, L3s]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Same basic idea, except I use heavy launchers instead of rapid lights. Fit is a bit tighter, but you can tweak it to make it work with lower skills. With my skills, this thing is pushing out 264 damage in any flavor you'd like. Worse case scenario on incoming damage is probably Sansha, and if you fit specific hardeners you're tanking a mere 54 DPS. Combined with range (missiles limited by targeting range) and speed (754m/s) that ought to be enough, but it's low.

And here's a Drake:

[Drake, L3s]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Amplifier II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I

Again, it can be tweaked. So what are the salient differences? The Drake is slower (384m/s), has a much stronger tank (258 omni in an unmodified setup), and puts out more kinetic damage (322 DPS) but less of any other damage flavor (215 DPS). It has more drones to help make up for that, I suppose, but meh. Range is more limited as well (~62km) but chances are you'll rarely notice that difference in practice.

So. Drake has more damage against kin-weak enemies (Guristas/Serpentis/EoM), about the same damage against Angels, and falls behind against EM-flavored enemies.

The Drake tanks much harder. Way more than you realistically need in L3s. But it's safe if you're not confident.

Caracal is cheaper. So there's that. You'll probably lose a few working out just how to speed/range tank properly.

So yeah. Those seem to be your options for L3s. NCaracal would be fine as well.

there's a chat channel called
help my mission ...

you may be able to get help with running a mission there. depends if anyone is close enough to where you are.

not everyone in eve is out to kill you, not all the time anyway.

You could miss relatively new skill "guided missile precision" (smaller explosion radius for missiles) which may boost your damage against smaller targets.

Yeah thanks figured that out and do a whole new setup for my drake and cnr. In level 3 mission no issues anymore,
Im now on my way to skill T2 Cruise Missiles and Launcher and after that to the Golem the rest is all T2 except the rigs
but they are anyway to expensive at all and my power is stable and if not i can pulse tank.

The really last thing i need to know are the DPS and Tank requirements for Level 4 Missions.

Atm my Shield does 800 to 900 Hp per 5 Second and with luck i get the Navy booster for 4 seconds.
With effective Hp of 50k and good fitted for T2 Hardeners 80-90% on two types depends on mission.

My Dps is arround 500, thats the most i can do with Named T1 launchers and Faction Missiles are to expensive
at the moment. All without drones, drones do 90 to 100 dps depends on what dmg type i use and thats the only
skill tree where many skills are not that high as my others.

I asked ingame but the answers are extremly different so i hope for more here. I found many things on google but
as far as i know ccp changes the difficult of missions and much other thing and i dont know when this was released
so i cant say what is up to date and what not.

Thanks to you all it helps me alot !

Btw what does Target Painters do ? do they only help targeting or do the inflict damage ?

And how deep must the drake on passive go in health to reach the max hp regeneration ?