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Thank you CCP for the ore anomalies
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QuakeGod
Empire Manufacturing
#1 - 2013-06-04 15:45:37 UTC
The easy to find ore anomalies are the best thing that could have been added to this update. Now I can mine in peace.

Every week-old Venture/Procurer/Retriever toon now see's the easily accessible sites and are like "OMG! It's Omber! It's Omber!" which keeps them from swarming the belt I'm in and going out of their way to target the same rocks I'm on even though I'm on the complete opposite side of the belt far away from the warp-in point.

The ore anomalies are also high-sec gank magnets, which again, works out pretty great. Maybe not so much for new miners, but I digress.

Anyway, CCP, you get a heartfelt 10/10 from me.
Verum Peto
Incursion Omega
#2 - 2013-06-04 17:20:46 UTC
Until you realize everyday when you get home from work to play they are all gone/empty
QuakeGod
Empire Manufacturing
#3 - 2013-06-04 17:23:47 UTC
Verum Peto wrote:
Until you realize everyday when you get home from work to play they are all gone/empty


Like I said before, it's always been that way.

I'm simply thankful for the new ore anomalies because it keeps the massive amount of relatively new miners the hell out of the static belts that I'm mining in.
Verum Peto
Incursion Omega
#4 - 2013-06-04 17:27:25 UTC
QuakeGod wrote:
Verum Peto wrote:
Until you realize everyday when you get home from work to play they are all gone/empty


Like I said before, it's always been that way.

I'm simply thankful for the new ore anomalies because it keeps the massive amount of relatively new miners the hell out of the static belts that I'm mining in.


Come work for me... heh
Dave Stark
#5 - 2013-06-04 17:34:53 UTC
Verum Peto wrote:
Until you realize everyday when you get home from work to play they are all gone/empty


why would they be gone/empty?

omber is worth less to a miner than ice is to eskimos.
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#6 - 2013-06-04 17:35:56 UTC
QuakeGod wrote:
Verum Peto wrote:
Until you realize everyday when you get home from work to play they are all gone/empty


Like I said before, it's always been that way.

I'm simply thankful for the new ore anomalies because it keeps the massive amount of relatively new miners the hell out of the static belts that I'm mining in.

And what of null sec mining? Where the hidden belts that are no longer hidden were the only place miners ever mined. Now these null sec miners are going to get ganked far far more often, this will discourage many of them from mining there. If the number of null sec miners drop, the supply of high en minerals will drop. When supply drops the prices go up.

What does this mean for you as a high sec miner? Well it is a given that high sec mineral prices are dropping, have been since the announcement of the ore composition changes. But the coming rise in price for high end minerals will mean the cost of every ship in game will go up.

Conclusion; High sec mining income will drop, while the cost of replacing ganked ships will go up. Sounds much more like a nerf than a buff to me.
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#7 - 2013-06-04 17:38:34 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Verum Peto wrote:
Until you realize everyday when you get home from work to play they are all gone/empty


why would they be gone/empty?

omber is worth less to a miner than ice is to eskimos.

Not any more the price has gone up a lot recently. Omber is now more valuable than Veld and Plag, and still rising.
Verum Peto
Incursion Omega
#8 - 2013-06-04 17:41:06 UTC
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
QuakeGod wrote:
Verum Peto wrote:
Until you realize everyday when you get home from work to play they are all gone/empty


Like I said before, it's always been that way.

I'm simply thankful for the new ore anomalies because it keeps the massive amount of relatively new miners the hell out of the static belts that I'm mining in.

And what of null sec mining? Where the hidden belts that are no longer hidden were the only place miners ever mined. Now these null sec miners are going to get ganked far far more often, this will discourage many of them from mining there. If the number of null sec miners drop, the supply of high en minerals will drop. When supply drops the prices go up.

What does this mean for you as a high sec miner? Well it is a given that high sec mineral prices are dropping, have been since the announcement of the ore composition changes. But the coming rise in price for high end minerals will mean the cost of every ship in game will go up.

Conclusion; High sec mining income will drop, while the cost of replacing ganked ships will go up. Sounds much more like a nerf than a buff to me.


Your statement.... agreed.
Verum Peto
Incursion Omega
#9 - 2013-06-04 17:42:42 UTC
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Verum Peto wrote:
Until you realize everyday when you get home from work to play they are all gone/empty


why would they be gone/empty?

omber is worth less to a miner than ice is to eskimos.

Not any more the price has gone up a lot recently. Omber is now more valuable than Veld and Plag, and still rising.



The past week massive scordite has been the top money maker in my area beating out omber per m3/units
Dave Stark
#10 - 2013-06-04 17:54:07 UTC
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Verum Peto wrote:
Until you realize everyday when you get home from work to play they are all gone/empty


why would they be gone/empty?

omber is worth less to a miner than ice is to eskimos.

Not any more the price has gone up a lot recently. Omber is now more valuable than Veld and Plag, and still rising.


which means it's still **** and not worth mining \o/
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-06-05 10:28:47 UTC
Highsec mining buff, massive nullsec mining nerf. Very easy for pvpers to catch you in sites now, especially without even needing a probe launcher anymore. As was said, less miners probably, so less high ends coming in. Less high ends means less low ends get consumed, so demand drops, and price does with it.
wentrox
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-06-05 10:39:11 UTC  |  Edited by: wentrox
It's no chance of any safe second to mine in wormholes, as where is no even local, any cloaked ships can catch miners without detection, as the direct scan is useless. Also only miner-noob can say thx ccp for that, anyone can easily mine their scord / omber / kernite on minig missions before odyssey. It's minig nerf at all.
Gilhelmi
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-06-12 10:27:57 UTC
Stay Alert
Stay Aligned
Stay Alive.

In WH space, I was living that BEFORE the patch, now, I just see more rookie miners coming into my belt (causing me to warp off more often, sadly, but I welcome the company), but I am still living comfortably. Making enough every day too buy a new Exhumer. In Null-sec you can do the exact same and make enough everyday too buy a new miner.

Stay Aligned to a "Safe Spot" that you set-up ahead of time.

Lastly, I have never been ganked because I do not AFK mine. I see a ship, I warp. And yes, I use warp stabilizers, just in case (though I have never been warp scrammed).

Whiny, Null-secers having to stay at their computer while mining.
Huttan Funaila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-06-12 14:14:41 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
omber is worth less to a miner than ice is to eskimos.

Omber, like Kernite, is also used for some storyline missions. This means these 2 basic ores are usually worth 2-10x more sold as ore than the minerals are worth.
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#15 - 2013-06-12 15:02:00 UTC
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
QuakeGod wrote:
Verum Peto wrote:
Until you realize everyday when you get home from work to play they are all gone/empty


Like I said before, it's always been that way.

I'm simply thankful for the new ore anomalies because it keeps the massive amount of relatively new miners the hell out of the static belts that I'm mining in.

And what of null sec mining? Where the hidden belts that are no longer hidden were the only place miners ever mined. Now these null sec miners are going to get ganked far far more often, this will discourage many of them from mining there. If the number of null sec miners drop, the supply of high en minerals will drop. When supply drops the prices go up.

What does this mean for you as a high sec miner? Well it is a given that high sec mineral prices are dropping, have been since the announcement of the ore composition changes. But the coming rise in price for high end minerals will mean the cost of every ship in game will go up.

Conclusion; High sec mining income will drop, while the cost of replacing ganked ships will go up. Sounds much more like a nerf than a buff to me.


If you're saying that less people will be mining, and probably those that are will be mining the high ends, then it stands to reason that prices for ore mined in high sec will slowly rise back to where they were not so long ago.

" They're gonna feel pretty stupid when they find out. " Rick. " Find out what ? " Abraham. " They're screwing with the wrong people. " Rick. Season four.   ' The Walking Dead. ' .
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#16 - 2013-06-12 15:05:55 UTC
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Verum Peto wrote:
Until you realize everyday when you get home from work to play they are all gone/empty


why would they be gone/empty?

omber is worth less to a miner than ice is to eskimos.

Not any more the price has gone up a lot recently. Omber is now more valuable than Veld and Plag, and still rising.


I checked prices for ore in high sec not including Pyroxeres & Kernite not so long ago and I don't expect they have changed. Omber didn't feature in the top seven which were as follows:
1) Massive Scordite
2) Condensed Scordite
3) Dense Veldspar
4) Scordite
5) Concentrated Veldspar
6) Rich Plagioclase
7) Veldspar

" They're gonna feel pretty stupid when they find out. " Rick. " Find out what ? " Abraham. " They're screwing with the wrong people. " Rick. Season four.   ' The Walking Dead. ' .
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#17 - 2013-06-12 16:54:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Steve Ronuken
http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ore/

The prices fluctuate, and the ones at the bottom are close enough that they swap easily. last time I looked, Veld was at the bottom. at the time of posting, it's 3rd from the bottom. with very little in it, really.

Woo! CSM XI!

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Silivar Karkun
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-06-12 17:28:33 UTC
well yesterday i saw that scordite became more valuable than any other high sec ore, seconded by pyroxeres....
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#19 - 2013-06-12 17:37:10 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Verum Peto wrote:
Until you realize everyday when you get home from work to play they are all gone/empty


why would they be gone/empty?

omber is worth less to a miner than ice is to eskimos.

Not any more the price has gone up a lot recently. Omber is now more valuable than Veld and Plag, and still rising.


which means it's still **** and not worth mining \o/


Not if you consider your efficiency. Omber used to be worth less than half what veldspar was per m3, now it is worth more. Ift is still not the top ore in high sec and probably never will be, but on average it is on par with the rest, except maybe Scrodite which rivals Veldspar in supply. Cherry picking only the top ores means you are spend more time moving around and targeting smaller rocks, more short cycles, and more travelling. This quickly eats up the slight profit advantage of the other regional ores such as pyrox.

Chiribba mines mostly Veldspar for a reason. The volume available more than makes up for the slight drop in isk/m3. You may make a little more cherry picking if you get to the belts before others, but most of you added profit is lost in partial cycles and the additional travel time to reach enough of the cherries to fill your hold. You will often have to cherry pick several belts to equal the same m3 you get from pulling veldspar from a single belt. Generally I strip everything in a belt, I do not cherry pick only the highest value. I was averaging 25M/hr for each account before Odyssey.Not bad for low stress mining in high sec. With the rise in Omber pricing there is no longer any benefit to skipping over it. This price increase also means the high sec ORE anomalies that have such huge volumes of Omber are also worth mining now.
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#20 - 2013-06-12 17:48:45 UTC
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Verum Peto wrote:
Until you realize everyday when you get home from work to play they are all gone/empty


why would they be gone/empty?

omber is worth less to a miner than ice is to eskimos.

Not any more the price has gone up a lot recently. Omber is now more valuable than Veld and Plag, and still rising.


I checked prices for ore in high sec not including Pyroxeres & Kernite not so long ago and I don't expect they have changed. Omber didn't feature in the top seven which were as follows:
1) Massive Scordite
2) Condensed Scordite
3) Dense Veldspar
4) Scordite
5) Concentrated Veldspar
6) Rich Plagioclase
7) Veldspar


It changes constantly, but the price differences are not a huge spread in high sec.

Right now Veldspar, Omber, and Plagioclase are all around 2500 isk/m3, the order for most valuable changes constantly, often several timers a day. The most valuable high sec ore has been jumping between Pyroxeres and scordite both around 3200 isk/m3. Not so impressive when you consider Spodumain, formerly the worst ore in game is now worth 3200 isk/m3 and the top ore today is worth over 4800 isk/m3 (not counting mercoxit at over 6700 isk/m3).

The point is Omber was once the highest value ore in high sec, then for a long time it was the worst, and was avoided like the plague, Now it is pretty much on par with the rest. Not worth enough to go out looking for it, but certainly not worth avoiding anymore.
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