Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Wait...are you saying a Drake can run C2 sites easily? You do realize you can do most C2 anoms in a PVP fit hurricane painlessly and faster than a pve fit drake?

Most of the people I say are complaining are about how the drake can keep range. GOOD! Learn to ******* do something besides sitting at zero and shooting someone next to you. This game is more than just gate camping and brawling at zero.

Ok... skimmed through the thread and saw something about comparing fits between a cyclone and a drake, something about a battleship not being able to take on a drake, and just in general that the drake is OP.

Put on those shield extenders and rigs, and you will get HIT like a BS except you have fail DPS. Your all EFT warrioring the drake, but your not taking other numbers into consideration. Comparing an armor tanked pvp boat to a passive/buffer shield tank you have to consider that the armor tanked ship does not take penalty to SIG RADIUS. The drake will in fact when fit with the massive 100k buffer/passive tank which you speak of, flys slow as molasses and also has a sig radius HIGHER than ANY battleship.

In fact with the buffer fit drake, your sig radius is so high that you start getting worried about taking more damage from capital ships than a standard armor fit battleship would.

Also, comparing the Hurricane to a Drake.... do you realize it's impossible to kill a decent hurricane pilot in a buffer fit drake? Hurricanes are freaking fast, they will be able to dis-engage with no issues whatsoever. Put a buffer or passive drake in a situation where they are going to die, and you have a 99.9999% chance of getting popped. A battleship will lock you in a second and also be able to out-run you easily.

Buffer tank drakes aren't as safe as you think, they are actually sitting ducks in many circumstances. You are thinking purely in terms of DPS and TANK where there is much more to the game than just those two things.

By the way, a hurricane can fit a great armor buffer tank, a MWD, 2 WEBS, a SCRAM, plus 2 MEDIUM NEUTS, and still do some pretty sick dps. By the way the only cap being used are MWD, WEB, and SCRAM so it can cap out a Drake and get away with it.

Like someone else said, the drake is actually balanced fair for PvP, in fact it's one of the only balanced Caldari ships for PvP. With a more balanced fit the drake can actually use a MWD, POINT, and one SMALL NEUT and still be able to actually put out strong dps and a very decent tank.

Just remember a BS will lock and kill you without any issues because of the high sig radius. If you are willing to fly this OP OMFGBBQ BUFFER DRAKE just be wary that people can fly circles around your ass and a BS will sit on you and fart in your face while killing you.

One more thing, for those that think missile dps is projected 100% to targets because they don't have tracking penalties think again. Missiles have explosion velocity and also explosion radius which acts very similar to the limitations on turrets tracking and signature resolution. In fact, the statements like "omg it can hit out to 70k it's a l33t sniper too" is rediculous. Yes missiles can have good range but they are terrible for sniping because a) you will hit for little damage no matter what range if your missiles are too big... and b) some guns (cough artillery) can do **** tons of damage from long ranges to smaller targets without having to wait for the missiles to get to the target. It's instantanious damage, and in extreme cases, an artillery fit tempest/maelstrom can kill a TENGU fit with an ACTIVE tank in a single volley. Tell me that's not OP and minmatar needs to be nerfed, a freaking 700m+ ship getitng killed in 1 shot by a battleship costing around 100m.

From my perspective nerf drake threads come across as either trolls or someone that doesn't understand what limitations and benefits of the different tier 2 battlecruisers.

No doubt, pve tengu is a juicy target at the very least will be a nice boost to killboards even if it doesnt have 1b+ of mods to loot.

I should say that thread makes me sad, because drake as a ship is fine. What is not fine is some other BC's that need some changing - I will not speculate how, because I have a perfect t2 drake and I was flying on alt a perfect shield Hurricane in WH space farming.

The end story is that despite the drakes ability to tank and do some good damage, it preforms in C2 worse than a good Hurricane. I was able to make anomalies 1.5-2 times faster on a Hurricane than on a drake. The reason is that Hurricane kills frigates with ease. Drake has to fire 5-7 precision missiles to make that frig pop. Crusers also are killed faster, but the difference is not so big.
Besides, Hurricane should speedtank. Ofcourse it will be underpowered if you stick in it tons of resists, shield extenders and so on. Speedtanking Hurricane is much more powerfull and does more DPS than a drake and effectively better - just don't stick modules witch make it's signature twice as bigger as it's own :)

A PvP drake with reasonable fitting is not so powerfull as it seems, it's just that people tend to make them be tanks, fit less damage mods, rigs are pure shield extenders and so on.

So it should be other BC's to be changed, rather than changing drake so that it becomes some invalid. Try fit HAM drake, not HM - good luck with tanking that one.

It' should be the most obvious issues when it comes to balancing, that the tier 2 BCs are performing way better than they should.
The reason so many are against nerfing these ships are probably due to them being easily accecible and popular – everybody and their dog is using them. We don't have pilots that are stuck on the T1 cruiser level, complaining about how the cane and the drake obsolete a bunch of ships in their wake, because the step from cruisers to Bcs is so very small.

The lack of support for a nerf does not however make these ships balanced.
And no, buffing tier 1 Bcs is not a sollution. When the introduction of 4 ships make a fleet of old ships obsolete – you adress the 4 new ships – not the fleet of ships.

How would you make T1 Cruisers more specialised and useful?

What do you think T3 frigates would be like? Just mini T3 cruisers?

Thanks for the bump and expressing your option.

(Though, I think it would have more weight if you gave reasons for your belief.)

Test the Ferox and get back to us?

Aye, Drake is a shield fit missile boat. That's pretty much going to make it the best option for PvE no matter what.

Buffing the other BCs to compensate them is just going to make them OP in PvP. As it is a cane will kill the crap out of a drake in PvP, as would a Myrmidon and... actually I don't about harbingers, I've never flown one. But you get my point, any DPS or tank buffs given to them would just make them unstoppable.

Anyway, I'll agree Drake's are the best PvE battlecruisers. But balancing them around that will completely destroy them in PvP, same thing goes for the Tengu. I hate that my Loki does similar DPS at a quarter of the range, but I understand why. If I was really that fussed by it I'd train for a Tengu.

tl;dr if you think Drakes are OP train up your missile skills and go fly one.