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NSA Backdoor into US service providers.

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Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#101 - 2013-06-12 08:01:06 UTC
Jada Maroo wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
but really, chances are he's delusional. as in, he thinks of himself as an irl Ben Affleck in Hunt for Red October.


Strange how a delusional man has attracted the full attention of the American surveillance state.


Has he? He worked for the intelligence services. He's now telling everyone what everyone knew already, "Shocking! The US does intelligence gathering. It even gets people drunk in far away places and tries to recruit them as agents! This is morally wrong!".

Is this guy for real? He's a massive idiot and needs a gigantic boot up the backside.
Rain6637
NulzSec
#102 - 2013-06-12 08:13:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
show of hands, who thinks he should go to russia because they'll love him for sticking it to USA

the only world where he's the good guy and you're an american is in Hollywood.

cuz unless you label surveillance as "bad" you can't have an easy to understand plot.

I'll admit, at this point I'm just being cryptic on purpose because it's obvious you lack the perspective to grasp the reality of things. and I think it's funny.
Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#103 - 2013-06-12 08:20:23 UTC
Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:
We got ourselves a real armchair profiler here. As well as an armchair psychologist. And an armchair psychic who knows every thought that guy ever thought. Hell, I'll bet you know what Snowden was thinking before he even thunk it.


One fact that proves everything Snowden is saying is true is an oft overlooked element from the David Petraeus affair.

If the head of the CIA feels the need to use an Al Qaeda email drop box technique to avoid the monitoring of an email to his girlfriend, then by default we know what he knows: that all digital communication transfers are being monitored.

Snowden's only crime is exposing that truth to a much wider audience.
Rain6637
NulzSec
#104 - 2013-06-12 08:29:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
man, I want to make a difference. when's the next occupy rally?

btw, CCP can read your ingame messages, but don't worry they're only looking for RMT activity.
Reuben Johnson
Gal-Min Industries
#105 - 2013-06-12 10:10:39 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
man, I want to make a difference. when's the next occupy rally?


The methadone shipments have been arriving on time and welfare checks are moving uninterrupted, so it could be a while...unless the crack supply dries up again.
Rain6637
NulzSec
#106 - 2013-06-12 10:33:53 UTC
that was a good laugh

I've contracted you a fine piece of livestock and 20 singles in jita. might wanna install a pole in your CQ
Reuben Johnson
Gal-Min Industries
#107 - 2013-06-12 11:36:16 UTC
Woot! Awesome, my last one escaped..er, left to, um, visit her mom or something....
anyway, thanks P
Astenion
Zeeman Industries
The Ancients.
#108 - 2013-06-12 11:46:23 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
man, I want to make a difference. when's the next occupy rally?


This made me LOL hard. Lol

Kudos to you, sir.
Malaclypse Muscaria
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#109 - 2013-06-12 18:25:30 UTC
New updates: Snowden, now in hiding somewhere in Hong Kong, has given an interview to the South China Morning Post. Among his new claims:


- Aside from those backdoors the NSA has at US companies' servers, the NSA also hacks into network backbones, giving them access to "hundreds of thousands of computers without having to hack every single one".

- The US is currently diplomatically "bullying" Hong Kong to have him extradited.

- PRISM has been used for years to hack and spy on people and institutions in China (and yet, all we hear is the US government constantly whining about the Chinese doing likewise).


There's a march being organized in Hong Kong in support of Snowden, and not having him extradited to the US.
Rain6637
NulzSec
#110 - 2013-06-12 18:53:10 UTC
that it's news to anyone, that lying is the cheapest way to string people along... makes me smile.
Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#111 - 2013-06-12 19:19:27 UTC
Malaclypse Muscaria wrote:

- Aside from those backdoors the NSA has at US companies' servers, the NSA also hacks into network backbones, giving them access to "hundreds of thousands of computers without having to hack every single one".


Security Services hack network backbones? No ****! I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you!

Malaclypse Muscaria wrote:

The US is currently diplomatically "bullying" Hong Kong to have him extradited.


The US has an extradition treaty with Hong Kong. By "bullying" I assume you mean "extradite a criminal back to the US".

Malaclypse Muscaria wrote:

PRISM has been used for years to hack and spy on people and institutions in China (and yet, all we hear is the US government constantly whining about the Chinese doing likewise).


What? Western security services try to hack Chinese networks? Again, no ****! I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you!

Malaclypse Muscaria wrote:

There's a march being organized in Hong Kong in support of Snowden, and not having him extradited to the US.


Organised by... The Communist Party of China and their representatives, no doubt.

Really, you are an utter, utter, utter, fool Malaclypse Muscaria.
Malaclypse Muscaria
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#112 - 2013-06-12 20:26:15 UTC
Victoria Sin wrote:
Really, you are an utter, utter, utter, fool Malaclypse Muscaria.


You do sound quite emotionally upset about all this. Is it hurting your patriotic feelings that much? Don't worry, soon most people and the media will forget and stop talking about it, just as they always do after one of these "scandals" surfaces, and your pain will go away.
Reuben Johnson
Gal-Min Industries
#113 - 2013-06-12 20:47:40 UTC
Throw in Holder and DoJ's strong-arm intimidation of the press and the conspiracy theory comes full circle.

NSA can build a database of all youre interent and phone use
IRS can build a database of all you're finances and go into youre checking accounts at any time
Obamacare can build a database of all youre medical and health records
And Holder tries to shut down the media.

Naaa, nothing to see here, we're all good.
Grog Barrel
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#114 - 2013-06-12 21:08:22 UTC
Victoria Sin wrote:
How hilarious that this gigantic douche has betrayed his own country, friends, girlfriend, family over what he says is a civil liberties issue and is thinking of running to [insert any country here, including USA], where journalists who uncover corruption are routinely murdered by gunmen on motorbikes.


Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#115 - 2013-06-12 21:09:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Kirjava
If he came to France he would probably be given a medal for services to the public interest.

The thing that makes me worried is that running around in their nappies somewhere is the next Prime Minister or President in 40 years. How much blackmail material could the NSA build on them if they wanted to with this kind of a system, assume we'll have voice recognition software to go back through recorded conversations and mine that.

Hope Hong Kong sticks to their guns and keeps him safe.

Also Shia LaBeouf in 2008. Wow.

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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#116 - 2013-06-12 22:27:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
Kirjava wrote:
If he came to France he would probably be given a medal for services to the public interest.

The thing that makes me worried is that running around in their nappies somewhere is the next Prime Minister or President in 40 years. How much blackmail material could the NSA build on them if they wanted to with this kind of a system, assume we'll have voice recognition software to go back through recorded conversations and mine that.

Hope Hong Kong sticks to their guns and keeps him safe.

Also Shia LaBeouf in 2008. Wow.


'They' have been monitoring us forever.

US Librarians See 'Big Brother' Monitoring - January 25, 2003 - AP What is really funny, the Movie Se7en brought up that this has been done for decades and that movie was released in 1995

I know I have been monitored. And I am pretty sure I am on a 'list'. I have been pulled to the side, frisked, searched, and hassled every time I have flown since well before 911. I will say since about 1998. Interesting as that is about the time I used the internet to look up the Anarchist's Cookbook. Dooh!

EDIT: It does not help that during the winter I look like a skinhead and during the summer I look like I come straight out of somewhere in the realm of Eastern Europe/Middle East/West Asia
Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
#117 - 2013-06-12 22:45:03 UTC
I like the name "Stellar Wind"Big smile

Thomas Drake, NSA whistleblower : Snowden saw what I saw: surveillance criminally subverting the constitution

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#118 - 2013-06-12 22:56:28 UTC
Well this is interesting.

Seems the public mood is now towards backing strong data protection acts in Europe. The result would effectively be companies working in the US forced to hand over data to the NSA, and be denied access to the EU. Or vice versa, support privacy and be denied access to the US market.

I wonder if Google and Facebook would get an exemption, or would have to operate a subsidiary bound to EU law to operate if it passes? That or a competitor with the backing of the EIB, could get interesting. The French have a state backed French language search engine already, Dassault are making it if I remember right, my Google-fu is in progress.... erm... Dassault-fu... Oops

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Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#119 - 2013-06-12 23:10:02 UTC
Kirjava wrote:
If he came to France he would probably be given a medal for services to the public interest.


Is that why we're constantly being bombarded with "whistle-blowers" working for the Direction centrale du renseignement intérieur spilling the beans about French intelligence activities?

No, I didn't think so either. The only difference between the two is the French seem better able to control the morons they employ and prevent them from "going rogue". The NSA and CIA really need to up their game with recruitment.
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#120 - 2013-06-12 23:30:35 UTC
Call me naive maybe but the French haven't been either cowards or a walkover that pretends to be something they are not.

The French have not, it seems to me, been acting as if it is their responsibility to police the planet. Perhaps it comes from their lack of technical capacity to do so and ultimately any nation with the resources to pull it off would do so and damn the consequences.

They have the area's they are interested in, namely their former Empire they police such as Mali with known quantities of Islamism, a known quantity. However I doubt that they actively lobby other nations to make it easier for them to spy on their supposed allies, for corporate benefits or political. I have no doubts they have embedded personnel in allied and foreign governments including the UK and the USA, but there is a large distance between verifying your allies positions and wholesale blanket surveillance of the general civilian population.

There is a balance between liberty, and security, and somewhere along the way I feel a line has been crossed, even if GCHQ was reaping the benefits of such a program.

I realise I might be coming across as a political activist or someone likely to go to the Occupy movements, quite the contrary. I am pissed off at this but for reasons that I enjoy my privacy. It might be a culture issue, over here we have a saying that every Englishman's home is his castle. I cannot help but feel this has breached the walls of even a veil of privacy and watching the keep with unseen eyes.

My apologies if I've been somewhat more passionate in my responses than usual, but this is something that I can see myself having a personal file on their servers.

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