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Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2013-06-12 03:57:47 UTC
High sp characters like me are paying through the nose for new clones and generally fly something more substantial because of it; however, that does nothing to prevent some ingenious newbies (BNI are a fantastic example) from swaming us like locust or annoying the hell out of us with some fancy manual piloting to keep us tied down while other vets pound us unmercifully.

I recall my newbro days quite clearly and I get where you're coming from: everyone has way more sp and everyone gains it at the same(ish) rate, therefor you can never "catch up," and will always suck, right? Well, no, not really.

On day one you can fly a tackle frigate that is incredibly cheap and fun to fly. Within a week of training for supports and small weapon skills you can have a frigate punchy enough to take down something solo with a little luck (wrecking shots, distracted target, etc.). Within another week you can dumpster enemy frigates and pods with a sweet little destroyer. Within a month you can be an excellent lemming interdictor pilot (if you're good at this, you will be worshiped as a minor deity) or be well on your way to a useful cruiser/battlecruiser fit.

You will, of course, have to live with being a % behind on a lot of stats while you focus on getting all the important things to skill rank III or IV, but those differentials aren't the end of your comparative advantage. You've got cheap clones, cheaper ships, and the adorable newbie aura that attracts all kinds of idiotic veteran tendencies (underestimating a target is the best way to loose a shiny ship).

In-short, although you might not realize it, this is the prime of your young life. Get out there and make a name for yourself while the pods are cheap. You'll thank me later.
Zanzbar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2013-06-12 04:11:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Zanzbar
its verry possible to get pvp kills very early. i helped a freind who was on trial fit a frigate for pvp on his 5th day in eve, gave him a quick rundown on how to stay alive and use the ships fit to his advantage and he went to it. within 14 hours he had 10 kills, 5 of which were solo and 2 of those he poped on a gate thinking they were rats and not flashy criminalsRoll. i watched him a bit as he picked fights and when he bit off more then he could chew i would come and save him, aka bait newbie ftwTwisted his peronal killboard is almost a billion isk destroyed in that 14 hours and that dosent show the several other kills that i only got as a result of the rucus he started.

the point is if you have people to help you fit/learn to fly the fit and to call on when things get rough then things are a lot easier. going toe to toe with a more experianced pilot in a better ship will get you killed every time, using alternate tactics or having freinds to rely on makes a big difference. if your repeatedly failing in the same rifter fiting then post asking for diferent tactics rather then making a "pvp is too hard for newbs" thread
Auduin Samson
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2013-06-12 04:43:13 UTC
Step 1: Find PvP corp that will teach newbies.

Step 2: Fly PvP ops with said corp. If your gun skills are crap, fly an attack frig and tackle.

Step 3: Learn from any mistakes you make. Discuss these mistakes after the op with your corp mates.

RvB and Eve Uni are two well known starting points, but there are bajillions of good corps out there.
Abbadon21
Ignotis Imperium
Usurper.
#44 - 2013-06-12 04:55:32 UTC
The fact that EVE is so hard is why people love it so much. When you do get that first solo kill it will be sooo much sweeter because of it!

I envy you because you get to experience the best part of PVP, which is the first kills, the rush you get every time you engage, etc.

First of all the Rifter is a great ship, but it's still a Frigate and has a small window of engageable targets. With low SP you should focus on other tech 1 frigates and possibly some ratting cruisers. Win on tactics, not SP.

Get away from the busy PVP areas and work the edges of low sec. The best PVPers go where the most action is, so avoid them for now do some long low sec roams.

Every loss makes you better no matter how frustrating it is. Stick with it and you will get it. Learn the other ships and learn how to counter them.

And just like the person before me said, don't be afraid to talk to the guy you just fought and ask for advice. Most PVPers know how hard it is at first will be happy to give you tips based on your fight.

GL and message me in game if you have any questions.

Learn How PRO Players Make Billions of ISK and Dominate PVP: http://www.EVEProGuides.com
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2013-06-12 07:41:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
Apherolaz wrote:
A friend of mine recently convinced me to give Eve a shot. He never stops going on about it, so i thought i would give it a look in. I had deliberately stayed away from it in the past given that the game has been around so long, and i figured that as a new player i couldn't hope to be competitive.

My friend seemed to think otherwise.

I cannot for the life of me see why he thought that...

PvP here is awful. I had expected to get stomped, sure, but i figured that somewhere amongst all of the stomping there would be a moment or two that would make it somehow worthwhile.

Nope.

It's miserable.

I've watched Abbadon21's PvP guides on youtube and have done some reading on the subject. It makes no difference. In most fights i am lucky if i even manage to fire my guns before i am destroyed. I figured that for every Rifter i lost i would try to learn something - and i have: i don't stand a chance.

It annoys me that i was right. I shouldn't have bothered. Unfortunately i've signed up for 3 months of this. Sigh, what a waste.



Aside from the normal nonsense you have posted PVP as a newbie is possible. I have been doing it since I started and my BootCamp corp of newbies has been killing people since it start almost 2 months ago. With more kills than most Merc corps get in a month.

From looking at your losses you are banging your head against ships that at their best are known frigate killers.

We are not allowed advertise our own corps here but I am going to leave this here.

90% of the people in this are guys that have never PVP'ed. Old and new with some guys running with them showing them the ropes.

http://camp.killmail.org/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=324972

PVP is all about your attitude towards it right now you have the wrong one.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2013-06-12 08:26:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Praxis Ginimic
Enockx Kaine wrote:
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
Enockx Kaine wrote:
Dude I have only been here for like two weeks, but I think i might know what your problem is. You can't expect to jump into the first ship you have access to and just go straight to nullsec or whatever place you are flying and dying in. 1--you have no skills yet, so you don't have access to very many modules. 2--If you are just flying around by yourself, then someone with longer range guns is probably blowing you away before you can close the distance and shoot back.

Am I right? The only way you could be competitive is if you happened upon another lowbie in a tech 1 frigate with no skills. but those of us that are just beginning and really want to play the game for the long haul....like me....haven't even attempted any pvp yet. I am busy earning money and training skills so that my weak Tech 1 frigate can be a halfway decent tech 1 frigate.

Also, it is my understanding that almost no one flies around solo in null sec. If they APPEAR to be solo, then as soon as you roll up on them and open fire, some crazy Millenium Falcon looking thing with 17 lasers and a BFG from the original DOOM game will appear out of nowhere and swallow you whole.

Keep in mind I have never SEEN such a thing....I haven't left High sec yet. I am biding my time and gaining strength before I do. But when I DO decide to go out into the pvp places, I won't go alone. I don't think this game works like that if thats what you want to do. at least not until you are way stronger than two days in.



NO



NO?????? Not even MAYBE? or PERHAPS? just NO? REALLY?

I humbly ask for some enlightenment for I am an EvE Virgin. Flying spaceships for the very first time. An EvE Viiiiiiirrrrrrrrgin with your beam turret next to mine.

I could go on, but I won't. I DO want some enlightenment though. I want more knowledge.


+1 internet for the Madonna reference. I'm a child of the 80' and that made me laugh out loud so I will respond.

Character skills although important to an extent are far less important that player skills when it comes to PvP in EVE. If you want to PvP then the best thing to do is get out and PvP. Far too many players have up and quit because they waited until they where "ready" to do something that they wanted to do. The thing about this game is that everything revolves around an innate knowledge of the game mechanics, a feel for it that you will never get without actually experiencing the game play that you want to. PvP most of all. No matter how many skill points you have you WILL suck until you get the "feel" for it. You will be podded... hopefully not lots but its a distinct possibility so go get it out of the way while your clones are cheap.

Waiting to be "ready" is not fun & this is a game after all.

Also, there are many soloists in null and many blobs in low. Stepping out into dangerous space and turning off your safety does not guarantee a firey death...it does guarantee a good time through, if you have the right attitude
Nox Solitudo
That Random Worker Ant Colony
#47 - 2013-06-12 10:28:43 UTC
Apherolaz wrote:
The game is pretty much as i expected it would be - i was just hoping i would be wrong!


Does it mean that you still think you can't do anything as a newbie? I'm just asking, because I'm not sure if we managed to pinpoint / explain important parts. Sorry if it looks as if I'm pushing you :)
Space Wanderer
#48 - 2013-06-12 11:36:09 UTC
Apherolaz wrote:

I've watched Abbadon21's PvP guides on youtube and have done some reading on the subject. It makes no difference. In most fights i am lucky if i even manage to fire my guns before i am destroyed. I figured that for every Rifter i lost i would try to learn something - and i have: i don't stand a chance.


You certainly don't. Answer the following questions:

Do you know about tracking and optimal?
Do you know advantages or disadvantages of the various weapon systems?
Do you know advantages or disadvantages of the various tanking systems?
Do you know all the ships you attacked and the best tactics to beat each of them?
Because you know that different ships require different tactics to be beaten, right?
Do you know what is the best fit to beat each of the ships you attacked?
Because you know that your fit is going to change the way you play and the tactics you can employ, right?
Do you know about directional scanner and how to use it?
Do you know about combat probing and its capabilites?
Do you know which skills you should train to maximize your strengths and reduce your weaknesses?
Do you know the techniques to counter cloaking and how it could impact on you?

If you answered NO to even one of those question (which are not comprehensive), you certainly don't stand a chance.

But that's because of your lack of knowledge, not of skill or money. Long time players have knowledge (well, most of them), which is more important than skill points. And do not expect to gather that much knowledge in two weeks, you won't. But you can start, if you feel to brave the EVE's learning curve. If you don't no shame, it just means that EVE is not for you.
Pinaculus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2013-06-12 14:36:28 UTC
Apherolaz wrote:
Zak Breen wrote:
It's not a hard game at all - it just takes an insane amount of time to do anything. Sane people don't normally wait that long. (grin)

That said, perhaps EVE isn't for you? No shame in that.



Yeah, so it would seem! - I do wish i had gotten into the game a long time ago.


I absolutely agree that it isn't for everybody. The game is pretty much as i expected it would be - i was just hoping i would be wrong! Anyway, i was just checking it out - i normally play World of Tanks and a few other games here and there. I probably should have seen out the trial first though, haha - so i DID learn something! :)

Thanks for the helpful responses though. I appreciate it.


All the best.



What the heck are you talking about?

Space Scrap? Can't compete? I checked out your killboard.

YOU'RE DOING GREAT!

You've participated in the destruction of 3 ships that are WAY above your weight class, and lost a handful of frigates that are incredibly cheap. Frigates are designed to get blown up by the handful. They're cheap so you don't have to care when they explode. Solo PVP is really really hard, but fleet PVP is pretty easy and very accessible. You're somewhat new, and don't fly a lot of different ship types, so you get to be tackle by default. Tackle is insanely important to any PVP fleet!

Sheesh. 3 kills in my first month would have been awesome! And if you've got a corp backing you then you don't need to sweat the ship losses so much. And since you're new your pods are basically free. Free ships and free pods is the EVE version of God Mode! Get back out there and spam F1 harder!

I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs.
Radius Prime
Tax Evading Ass.
#50 - 2013-06-12 16:02:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Radius Prime
Ah, so you avoided the game because you expected it would be hard and now you are quitting because you know it is hard. Makes sense to me. EVE is as hard on the new guy as it is on the vet, the only difference is the vet took the time to learn to play it. It never gets any easier. This is what keeps the kids out and brings steady growth and stability to the game overall. 1 in 10 stays and the ones who do are exactly the profile the game needs. Works like a charm and will be why EVE will be around in 10-20 years, bigger and better then ever! The most complete and immersive SciFi game experience around.

Works as intended.

Reopen the EVE gate so we can invade Serenity. Goons can go first.
Atkins Friendly
State War Academy
Caldari State
#51 - 2013-06-12 16:15:46 UTC
My opinion:

You're new and you're gonna get stomped in PVP no matter what.

PVP is very difficult solo. it is fairly difficult to find anything that a noobie rifter can kill easily. To be effective, you're going to need to find a way to get the upper hand.

If PVP is your thing, you're going to have to come up with a way to make it fun. To make it fun for me, i became the a$$hole in the fight.

Imagine this, you are tasty little noobie rifter. People are going to be chasing you to get the kill. They will hunt you down. Rifters have the gift of speed. get with a buddy and setup a trap for them to chase you into it.

Or, learn how to fly a steathbomber. Join a Bomber Bar and fly around cloaked, unclock and insta-pop a ship 50x more exspensive than yours.

Either way, you are going to have to join a fleet to do anything of these. Stop flying solo. It is very difficult and takes a lot of SP to PVP solo so dont even try at this stage.

You dont need 10mil SP to be effective in a fleet. There are plenty of roles a 5mil sp player can perform. whether it be a tackler, ewar, or bait. all are esstial in a PVP fleet so stop doing stupid stuff and flying solo.. LOL

BTW, eve isnt just about killing each other.. there are other ways to have fun in EVE such a MIssion Running, Incursions, Exploring, Wormholes etc.

Enockx Kaine
Doomheim
#52 - 2013-06-12 21:13:21 UTC
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
Enockx Kaine wrote:
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
Enockx Kaine wrote:
Dude I have only been here for like two weeks, but I think i might know what your problem is. You can't expect to jump into the first ship you have access to and just go straight to nullsec or whatever place you are flying and dying in. 1--you have no skills yet, so you don't have access to very many modules. 2--If you are just flying around by yourself, then someone with longer range guns is probably blowing you away before you can close the distance and shoot back.

Am I right? The only way you could be competitive is if you happened upon another lowbie in a tech 1 frigate with no skills. but those of us that are just beginning and really want to play the game for the long haul....like me....haven't even attempted any pvp yet. I am busy earning money and training skills so that my weak Tech 1 frigate can be a halfway decent tech 1 frigate.

Also, it is my understanding that almost no one flies around solo in null sec. If they APPEAR to be solo, then as soon as you roll up on them and open fire, some crazy Millenium Falcon looking thing with 17 lasers and a BFG from the original DOOM game will appear out of nowhere and swallow you whole.

Keep in mind I have never SEEN such a thing....I haven't left High sec yet. I am biding my time and gaining strength before I do. But when I DO decide to go out into the pvp places, I won't go alone. I don't think this game works like that if thats what you want to do. at least not until you are way stronger than two days in.



NO



NO?????? Not even MAYBE? or PERHAPS? just NO? REALLY?

I humbly ask for some enlightenment for I am an EvE Virgin. Flying spaceships for the very first time. An EvE Viiiiiiirrrrrrrrgin with your beam turret next to mine.

I could go on, but I won't. I DO want some enlightenment though. I want more knowledge.


+1 internet for the Madonna reference. I'm a child of the 80' and that made me laugh out loud so I will respond.

Character skills although important to an extent are far less important that player skills when it comes to PvP in EVE. If you want to PvP then the best thing to do is get out and PvP. Far too many players have up and quit because they waited until they where "ready" to do something that they wanted to do. The thing about this game is that everything revolves around an innate knowledge of the game mechanics, a feel for it that you will never get without actually experiencing the game play that you want to. PvP most of all. No matter how many skill points you have you WILL suck until you get the "feel" for it. You will be podded... hopefully not lots but its a distinct possibility so go get it out of the way while your clones are cheap.

Waiting to be "ready" is not fun & this is a game after all.

Also, there are many soloists in null and many blobs in low. Stepping out into dangerous space and turning off your safety does not guarantee a firey death...it does guarantee a good time through, if you have the right attitude



Well by "Waiting until I was ready" I meant I wanted to at least get through the career tutorials and the sisters of eve story arc. I figured that would be good to get some of the mechanics under my belt. And since my tendency for this game has been to take my time and study every single thing going on, I SHOULD have a decent amount of SP's under my belt. I re-rolled after Odyssey hit because I had just started the week before and everything looked different. So I figured...ehh couldn't hurt to do them again.

But I thought I needed a way to make money if I was going to PvP. My idea was to do some exploring, hacking, data mining and salvaging along with some mission running here and there. I was told that I needed some sort of "career" like that. And since I happen to enjoy the pve parts of the game (I mean seriously....I havent even gotten tired of the tutorials yet. THEY MAKE ME HAPPY DAMNIT) I figured THAT career would be perfect for me. I can get a decent amount of money tucked under my matress and then go out and melt some faces with my frigates or destroyer.

Am I wasting my time with this supposed "career choice"? That's just what I was told i should do if I ever wanted to become big, good, and just flat out awesome at this game.

Of course I am down for any advice yall have as well. Much like a certain '80's movie from back in the day, I am like Number Johnny 5. I NEED MORE INPUT.

And there is nothing wrong with being a child of the '80's. I am 35 years old, so I, too, am a child of the 80's and a teenager of the '90's. Even at 35 years old, sister, we are young. Frigate to frigate we stand. no promises no demands. Null sec is a battlefield.

Now I am going to name my next ship The Legend of Billie Jean.
Pinaculus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2013-06-12 21:24:33 UTC
Apherolaz wrote:
I can't for the life of me find the part where i stated or even implied that i needed instant gratification / winning?

PvP is supposed to be one of the bigger draw cards for the game. However, PvP is only an exercise in frustration for new players - and this is pretty much what i had expected from the start. I didn't expect to be an invincible pirate pwning badass roaming 0.0 in my tech 1 Rifter. I expected that players who had been playing the game for years, and had accumulated stacks of ISK and skill points would stomp my guts out. This is why i never really bothered with Eve in the first place (before i was convinced otherwise).

I'm not saying the system is wrong and that it shouldn't be this way, im simply making an observation.

Again, i don't expect to be able to go toe to toe with veteran players.

What I had hoped was that maybe, if i was lucky, that at some point in amongst getting reduced to space scrap, i might actually chance across someone else unfortunate enough to be on the same level as myself; another lowly newbie in a lowly tech 1 frigate - and the thing is, i don't even care if i lose - i just want to be able to participate in something other than a completely one sided beat down. There just doesn't seem to be all that many newbies (or anyone tbh) playing the game, and what player base there is seems to be quite top heavy. I guess that is just what happens when you have a game that is as old as Eve is now.

I have tried to learn - believe me, i have. I've spent more hours reading and watching videos about what to do, than i have playing the game. I mistakenly thought that if i learnt some useful combat skills and techniques, i might be able to offset my lack of skill points and crummy hardware.




I killed a Rifter in my Kestrel just 2 days ago.

2 days before that I lost my Executioner to a Breacher.

Join Faction Warfare and hang out in Novice Plexes. People in cheap stuff will show up and try to kill you. Problem solved.

I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs.
Socks the Fox
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2013-06-12 22:35:05 UTC
The OP's probably already made up his mind, but I'd like to contribute here. It is entirely possible for newbies to win in PVP versus a veteran. Our corp is based on this fact. However, it is extremely unlikely for a newbie to win in PVP versus a veteran. You're going to need help, or you just won't be able to survive long enough to learn anything. Once you run with a pack, there are other targets for your quarry to shoot at first, giving you a chance to learn how to approach a target properly, what kinds of ships you're capable of doing noticeable damage to, which modules help in what situations, and so on.

I've only been playing a couple of months. I have lost plenty of ships. It was only last month where I managed to kill a 120m ship with a 8m ship, and even then I had help (I only did 44% of the damage). I was ecstatic because, after months of losing ships with little to show for it, I finally had beaten someone that outclassed me using a ship I slapped together based solely on some research and understanding of the purpose of the ship I'm building on.

When you finally get both top damage and killing blow on a ship more than 10x more expensive than yours it's worth the effort.

I also managed to nab the loot :3
Mildew Wolf
#55 - 2013-06-13 09:56:03 UTC
whether you think you can or you think you cant--youre right )))
Marmaduke Hatplate
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2013-06-13 11:13:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Marmaduke Hatplate
Apherolaz wrote:
I can't for the life of me find the part where i stated or even implied that i needed instant gratification / winning?

PvP is supposed to be one of the bigger draw cards for the game. However, PvP is only an exercise in frustration for new players - and this is pretty much what i had expected from the start. I didn't expect to be an invincible pirate pwning badass roaming 0.0 in my tech 1 Rifter. I expected that players who had been playing the game for years, and had accumulated stacks of ISK and skill points would stomp my guts out. This is why i never really bothered with Eve in the first place (before i was convinced otherwise).

I'm not saying the system is wrong and that it shouldn't be this way, im simply making an observation.

Again, i don't expect to be able to go toe to toe with veteran players.

What I had hoped was that maybe, if i was lucky, that at some point in amongst getting reduced to space scrap, i might actually chance across someone else unfortunate enough to be on the same level as myself; another lowly newbie in a lowly tech 1 frigate - and the thing is, i don't even care if i lose - i just want to be able to participate in something other than a completely one sided beat down. There just doesn't seem to be all that many newbies (or anyone tbh) playing the game, and what player base there is seems to be quite top heavy. I guess that is just what happens when you have a game that is as old as Eve is now.

I have tried to learn - believe me, i have. I've spent more hours reading and watching videos about what to do, than i have playing the game. I mistakenly thought that if i learnt some useful combat skills and techniques, i might be able to offset my lack of skill points and crummy hardware.






I'm a noob too, but you're never going to get me to PvP. Just reading the half-illiterate expletive-heavy bios of the top bounties gives me an idea of what PvP does to you.

There aren't any 'noob-only' PvP areas, are there, anyway? PvP is either 'noob->support the vets' or 'vet->do actual fighting whilst noobs tackle etc', it seems.

You can duel in hisec, I hear. Maybe that's where you should be going? Advertise in local for a duel. Maybe another noob will be interested.

"Friends and fun...The only 2 really important things in EVE Online." - Crazy Dutch Guy
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2013-06-13 11:52:16 UTC
Marmaduke Hatplate wrote:
Apherolaz wrote:
I can't for the life of me find the part where i stated or even implied that i needed instant gratification / winning?

PvP is supposed to be one of the bigger draw cards for the game. However, PvP is only an exercise in frustration for new players - and this is pretty much what i had expected from the start. I didn't expect to be an invincible pirate pwning badass roaming 0.0 in my tech 1 Rifter. I expected that players who had been playing the game for years, and had accumulated stacks of ISK and skill points would stomp my guts out. This is why i never really bothered with Eve in the first place (before i was convinced otherwise).

I'm not saying the system is wrong and that it shouldn't be this way, im simply making an observation.

Again, i don't expect to be able to go toe to toe with veteran players.

What I had hoped was that maybe, if i was lucky, that at some point in amongst getting reduced to space scrap, i might actually chance across someone else unfortunate enough to be on the same level as myself; another lowly newbie in a lowly tech 1 frigate - and the thing is, i don't even care if i lose - i just want to be able to participate in something other than a completely one sided beat down. There just doesn't seem to be all that many newbies (or anyone tbh) playing the game, and what player base there is seems to be quite top heavy. I guess that is just what happens when you have a game that is as old as Eve is now.

I have tried to learn - believe me, i have. I've spent more hours reading and watching videos about what to do, than i have playing the game. I mistakenly thought that if i learnt some useful combat skills and techniques, i might be able to offset my lack of skill points and crummy hardware.






I'm a noob too, but you're never going to get me to PvP. Just reading the half-illiterate expletive-heavy bios of the top bounties gives me an idea of what PvP does to you.

There aren't any 'noob-only' PvP areas, are there, anyway? PvP is either 'noob->support the vets' or 'vet->do actual fighting whilst noobs tackle etc', it seems.

You can duel in hisec, I hear. Maybe that's where you should be going? Advertise in local for a duel. Maybe another noob will be interested.


Really? What if I told I know new players that kill older players?

People really need to stop spreading un-informed dribble.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Zanzbar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2013-06-13 13:51:30 UTC
also keep in mind that you dont have to blow up their ship to remove them from a fight. a 3 week old char in a blackbird can jam a vets sensors often enough to make him next to usless for his fleet, effectivly eliminating a several year old pilot from the enemy force.
Ilkahn
Ideal Mechanisms
#59 - 2013-06-13 13:55:28 UTC
Apherolaz wrote:
A friend of mine recently convinced me to give Eve a shot. He never stops going on about it, so i thought i would give it a look in. I had deliberately stayed away from it in the past given that the game has been around so long, and i figured that as a new player i couldn't hope to be competitive.

My friend seemed to think otherwise.

I cannot for the life of me see why he thought that...

PvP here is awful. I had expected to get stomped, sure, but i figured that somewhere amongst all of the stomping there would be a moment or two that would make it somehow worthwhile.

Nope.

It's miserable.

I've watched Abbadon21's PvP guides on youtube and have done some reading on the subject. It makes no difference. In most fights i am lucky if i even manage to fire my guns before i am destroyed. I figured that for every Rifter i lost i would try to learn something - and i have: i don't stand a chance.

It annoys me that i was right. I shouldn't have bothered. Unfortunately i've signed up for 3 months of this. Sigh, what a waste.



You need to understand that pvp in eve isn't a game of i won, you lose. We measure success based upon how much value destroyed vs lost. This is really skewed though as you don't need the killing blow, just being on the Killmail gives your statistical number. This is tracked by alliance, corp, and individual. The further down the list you go the better your stats look as you can get on 10 kms before you in turn go down.

Now, onto your complaint. Understand that even the most hardened of us in a tackle frigate go down quite quickly when primaried. Skill sets top out at 5, granted the support skills matter alot but those get trained up fairly quickly. If your friend has you training ships and guns then IMO it's a mistake. You should be running down your standard core certs as well as whichever tank is the racial primary to standard as well. Those 2 certs with frigs to 4 and your guns to 4 will put you on roughly equal footing with a 5 year vet in regards to frig vs frig.

Patience is a virtue, my advice, slow down, don't go running off into the hinterlands seeking blood and glory. Take your time, learn eve, do some missions as they will teach you certain basic combat menu controls. This isn't a point and shoot game for the solo player, it's quite more about fleets and teamwork. You don't have to be the baddest on the block to enjoy the celebrations of dancing on the wreckage of your opponent.

Slow down, look for the fun and enjoyment.
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#60 - 2013-06-13 14:05:26 UTC
Mildew Wolf wrote:
whether you think you can or you think you cant--youre right )))


Words of wisdom from a man with double Ds....and I thought my picture was bad...holy christ...