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How to counter Strategic Cruisers?

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Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2013-04-16 13:47:20 UTC
The same way you counter everything in eve, intel. Know your enemy, set a trap, smack talk on local.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#62 - 2013-04-16 15:34:33 UTC
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
The same way you counter everything in eve.

That's right you undock a Bhaalgorn.

Pretty much the only T3 that doesn't hate bonused neuts and long webs is a Loki and Lokis aren't exceptionally difficult to deal with anyway, Armor fits don't tank that much, the DPS is mediocre and they aren't fast. Shield lokis are a joke too.

And if the problem can't be solved with a Bhaalgorn then it can probably be solved with a Vindicator.
Stonkeep
Osmanli Empire
#63 - 2013-04-19 18:42:30 UTC
nano Mach or blaster Vindi.

Of course there is no such thing as 1v1.
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#64 - 2013-04-20 00:43:14 UTC
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
The same way you counter everything in eve, intel. Know your enemy, set a trap, smack talk on local.


Won't he have scouts ?

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Aralieus
Shadowbane Syndicate
#65 - 2013-04-20 23:45:44 UTC
The Command Ship of the T3's race

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Garresh
Mackies Raiders
Wild Geese.
#66 - 2013-04-21 01:12:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Garresh
A couple rifters with tracking disruptors?

A properly fit neut-torp typhoon with dual webs?

A command ship with neuts?

A curse?

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Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#67 - 2013-04-21 07:46:07 UTC
Verge of Collapse is the most notable alliance roaming around in T3s.

How to kill them, yes you need to blob them.

Having said that, yup they come only with 30, but of those 30, 10 are guardians and with the buffer and resists their setups have, yup you need a large fleet to even have a chance of breaking through their reps.

(Or use domis with uber tracking gardes, then you don't have to bring 100 men counter but just a 40-50 men.)
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#68 - 2013-04-21 08:00:46 UTC
Sjugar wrote:
Verge of Collapse is the most notable alliance roaming around in T3s.

How to kill them, yes you need to blob them.

Having said that, yup they come only with 30, but of those 30, 10 are guardians and with the buffer and resists their setups have, yup you need a large fleet to even have a chance of breaking through their reps.

(Or use domis with uber tracking gardes, then you don't have to bring 100 men counter but just a 40-50 men.)


Can't they just warp off when they see how outnumbered they are in local?
Is there a more inconspicuous setup for T3 killing?

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Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#69 - 2013-04-21 23:09:33 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Sjugar wrote:
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Can't they just warp off when they see how outnumbered they are in local?
Is there a more inconspicuous setup for T3 killing?


Well, it's verge of collapse, 95% people in their right mind wouldn't engage them with even numbers because they know they're outmatched.
Basically they always have to fight outnumbered to even get fights.
Also not all gangs are them same, and numbers don't say everything. Some 100 men fleets will be slaughtered by them without a single loss while an organised 50 men gang in the right ships can really give them a run for there money.
Just make sure you have good logi and also important good tackle numbers before engaging them.
CaptainFalcon07
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
#70 - 2013-04-26 23:26:04 UTC
This thread smells like a whine that its unfair that an expensive ship will typically win against a cheaper ship in a 1 vs 1 fight.

The pilot invested money into his t3, you expect to simply be able to win with a cheap battlecruiser in a 1 vs 1 of equal skill?


Get real.
Joshua Lorne
The Night Crew
#71 - 2013-04-28 17:09:00 UTC
If you want to 1v1 against T3's. Grow a sack and fly one yourself.

Otherwise, what CaptainFalcon said.
Craggus
Doomheim
#72 - 2013-04-29 16:58:46 UTC
Knowing how to effectively use EWAR is generally the key to these fights. Jams, neuts, sensor damps, etc. It's one reason I like w-space. Sure, blobs are still there, but general everyday fights, ewar is usually what will win a fight numbers being equal.
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2013-04-30 04:24:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Lugia3
The tackle rifter. Pirate

Easy, tackle the tengu, and watch as 100 drakes gloriously alpha his 2 billion ISK ship.

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik

Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#74 - 2013-04-30 08:45:34 UTC
I believe a good dominix would pretty much kill any solo t3, with all that dronedamage and midslots and neuts and armortank.
Same for a tempest I'd guess.

Astarte I could imagine would also be a good approach to solo one of those if you manage to catch it, with it having sufficient tank for a lone t3 and high dps still left. If the t3 you're going for uses it's racial 'ewar'-sub, it will have crappy enough sensor strength to pretty much die to a single set of ec-300s.

If you are up against a group of them, can warp in one or two celestis to either damp their tackle, ewar or their logi. Or just bring equally valuable ships (which would be something from a pimpfitted navy-BS to a t2-fitted machariel)
Karig'Ano Keikira
Tax Cheaters
#75 - 2013-04-30 11:34:17 UTC
I would think three times before engaging typical pvp domi with my tengu, same goes for pirate faction battleships; they however lack ability to actually catch t3s unless they decided to get into your range
As for using more then one ship, well... tackle it with something then neut it and kill should work quite reliably - most t3s hate neuts, hate webs and hate painters
StarFleetCommander
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#76 - 2013-06-11 19:42:06 UTC
We dont use Tech 3's anymore

http://kb.vergeofcollapse.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=35313

Our new doctrine
Degnar Oskold
Moira.
#77 - 2013-06-11 20:53:45 UTC
Just bring ships equal to or greater in ISK value to them for a guaranteed kill. If your enemy has 500 million ISK on the field, why would you cheap out and not bring 500 million isk worth of ships to fight him?
Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#78 - 2013-06-12 00:09:48 UTC
There's not enough informations to answer the question.

Or do you actually want something able to solo catch and kill any possible T3 fit ?

One T3 won't do everything. All T3 have some limits, as have all ships, so there will always be a T3 fit to counter your counter, hence your question logicaly don't have any answer, but this is because it ask nothing in the first place. You are in fact asking "what ship counter another ship ?" That doesn't make any sense.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#79 - 2013-06-14 15:32:54 UTC
When the only counter to T3s atm is more T3s.

The last time this situation occurred, supers and titans got nerfed into the ground.

Personally, I think ships with 2x BS tank and signature radius of 120-140m is ridiculously OP. Modular ships should not have the sigRad of non-modular ships of the same size. They should be bigger. Not a lot bigger. Maybe 15%. But it should reflect the modular effect.

Also, being able to fit 3x LSEIIs or 1600mm T2 plates on a cruiser-sized ship (or 2x and a 100MN AB) is ********. Nerf the engineering subs that give so much grid.

And those resists... CCP just went through and nerfed the resists on the non-T3 ships with resist bonuses. Yet T3s still have absurd resists. 95% armor EM resist on a Loki with resist subsystem, EANM, and a DCII? Really?

Not butt-hurt. I don't blame the people for flying them. But when a single class of ships is so ridiculously powerful that all of nulsec is reshipping into them, something is broken.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY

TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#80 - 2013-06-14 15:44:33 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Legions , Tengus , Loki...

All names that would instantly send a chill down the spine of those listening on the intel channel.
Fast , agile , and very lethal.
They are among the MOST dangerous ships to fight and perhaps one of the most resilient on the battlefield .

With the damage potential of a Battleship and agility of a cruiser , just how do you counter them???

In this game of Rock Paper Scissors Spock.
Just what can we use to defeat Spock??


Why would anyone be scared of t3s. T3s are like 90% of what we fight in wormholes (the other 10% being carriers and dreads)

they're lovely expensive targets to kill.

I'd be far more disheartened if someone reported a fleet of drakes or some boring crap