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Hrothgar Nilsson
#81 - 2013-06-11 13:24:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Hrothgar Nilsson
If he sticks by his guns with regards to what he's expressed as his beliefs and philosophy, he won't take a Russian offer of asylum.

On another topic: if he wants to get to Iceland, he's going to have to:

A) catch a flight before charges are filed
B) book that flight with an airline that's based out of a country
--1) sympathetic to what he's done, and/or
--2) no extradition arrangement with the USA
C) the above apply to any country he catches a connecting flight in

No doubt he's juggling the logistics of that now if he's planning to leave Hong Kong.

Now obviously leaving from Hawaii he probably calculated there was a risk of being detained if he traveled to Iceland, as he'd either have to land in the US or Canada, or do an insane amount of gymnastics in booking flights in and out of places in such a way the sum of which he may have thought might arouse suspicion. Catching a direct flight to Hong Kong from Honolulu was probably the easiest way to flee.

I've... seen things you people wouldn't believe...

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Othran
Route One
#82 - 2013-06-11 14:07:12 UTC
Kirjava wrote:
The anger is growing in the political circles this side of the Atlantic, Angela Merkel is from East Germany and we can expect her to take a certain perspective to this.


Ummm Angela's background in the East prior to reunification isn't what I think you think it is Blink

Also everyone in "political circles" this side of the pond knows full well this sort of stuff has been going on for years. The only "anger" you'll see in Europe (apart from the French who hate the USA anyway) will be for domestic political consumption. ie - look at me, I take no **** from the yankee dogs P In private it'll be business as usual.

Its just nice to see all the firms named and shamed is all.
Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
#83 - 2013-06-11 14:32:46 UTC
Merkel saw the NSA spy heat map. On this map, Germany has the first place among all european countries. It's also an open secret that agencies steal know how from foreign companies. You can imagine what it is all about. Btw :-D

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Malaclypse Muscaria
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#84 - 2013-06-11 14:36:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Malaclypse Muscaria
Zhula Guixgrixks wrote:
Merkel saw the NSA spy heat map. On this map, Germany has the first place among all european countries. It's also an open secret that agencies steal know how from foreign companies. You can imagine what it is all about. Btw :-D



From the Wikipedia article on Echelon:

Wikipedia wrote:
British journalist Duncan Campbell and New Zealand journalist Nicky Hager asserted in the 1990s that the United States was exploiting ECHELON traffic for industrial espionage, rather than military and diplomatic purposes.[10] Examples alleged by the journalists include the gear-less wind turbine technology designed by the German firm Enercon[5][11] and the speech technology developed by the Belgian firm Lernout & Hauspie.[12] An article in the US newspaper Baltimore Sun reported in 1995 that European aerospace company Airbus lost a $6 billion contract with Saudi Arabia in 1994 after the US National Security Agency reported that Airbus officials had been bribing Saudi officials to secure the contract.[13][14]

In 2001, the Temporary Committee on the ECHELON Interception System recommended to the European Parliament that citizens of member states routinely use cryptography in their communications to protect their privacy, because economic espionage with ECHELON has been conducted by the US intelligence agencies.[5]
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#85 - 2013-06-11 14:50:47 UTC
Espionage, spying, hostile takeovers, murder.... Have been 'acceptable' tactics in every form of government since the beginning of organized society. So what makes people think our current government and Multi-National Companies would do any different?

If you don't like the tracking remove yourself from the grid because technology will not be hindered and those in power will utilize it to further their own ends. To think otherwise is naive at best.

Fake Edit: I do not personally condone it, but I am also not going to sit here and act like the above mentioned tactics have not been tolerated by the worlds populations for centuries.
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#86 - 2013-06-11 14:56:31 UTC
Zhula Guixgrixks wrote:
Merkel saw the NSA spy heat map. On this map, Germany has the first place among all european countries. It's also an open secret that agencies steal know how from foreign companies. You can imagine what it is all about. Btw :-D

Aye, seems to me we have a case to push in the WTO perhaps. I am under no illusions as to who thinks they knew what, but with hard information comes the capacity to counter and posture. Thinks like the EU-US Open Skies program or the negotiations for TAFTA.

Besides, if a few brownie points can be made by posturing to make moves towards more encryption and data security then so much the better.

Merkel is shrewd and knows the mentality of a surveillance state is what I mean, not that she would object on principle. She might, but she's been intelligent and shrewd enough to let on one way or another. And the French don't bash America as a rule either, they have principles and friend or foe they follow them.

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Malaclypse Muscaria
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#87 - 2013-06-11 14:58:34 UTC
"The more things change, the more they stay the same."
Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#88 - 2013-06-11 15:13:48 UTC
Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#89 - 2013-06-11 17:45:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Victoria Sin
How hilarious that this gigantic douche has betrayed his own country, friends, girlfriend, family over what he says is a civil liberties issue and is thinking of running to Russia, where journalists who uncover corruption are routinely murdered by gunmen on motorbikes.
Hrothgar Nilsson
#90 - 2013-06-11 21:12:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Hrothgar Nilsson
When did this Snowden guy say he was thinking of running to Russia?

A Russian official said, unsolicited with no response, that they'd consider an asylum request if they received one.

I've... seen things you people wouldn't believe...

Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion...
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#91 - 2013-06-11 21:16:18 UTC
Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:
When did this Snowden guy say he was thinking of running to Russia?

A Russian official said, unsolicited with no response, that they'd consider an asylum request if they received one.

^ This

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#92 - 2013-06-12 02:54:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
you can label him crazy if he goes to Russia. right now he sorta has the benefit of a doubt.

but really, chances are he's delusional. as in, he thinks of himself as an irl Ben Affleck in Hunt for Red October.

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Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#93 - 2013-06-12 03:02:40 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
but really, chances are he's delusional. as in, he thinks of himself as an irl Ben Affleck in Hunt for Red October.


Strange how a delusional man has attracted the full attention of the American surveillance state.
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#94 - 2013-06-12 03:45:37 UTC
I had only heard rumors back in 2009 that 3rd Intelligence Battalion on Okinawa, Japan and IPAC were being told to record all calls made my Marines, sailors, and civilians on the base for storage. I guess now it's true...

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#95 - 2013-06-12 04:06:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
Jada Maroo wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
but really, chances are he's delusional. as in, he thinks of himself as an irl Ben Affleck in Hunt for Red October.


Strange how a delusional man has attracted the full attention of the American surveillance state.

in case you're being facetious, it's not strange. he thought he was enough of a somebody to cause problems. things like these are not black-and-white, right-and-wrong ethics issues, and there's some assuaging that needs to come from leadership (his boss and management), patriotism, and a sense of service to one's country.

I'm just willing to bet the difference between himself and everyone else in the intelligence community is, he thinks he's living in a Tom Clancy movie.

have you considered what this implies about his feelings about everyone else in his line of work? and do you think he's considered at all why he is the one who feels the need to say something.

betcha he hasn't, and it's cuz he thinks he's special. 29 yr old high school dropout. there's his problem.

talk about needing to compensate.

if he's not delusional, what does that make everyone else who keeps their mouth shut?

Anya Klibor wrote:
I had only heard rumors back in 2009 that 3rd Intelligence Battalion on Okinawa, Japan and IPAC were being told to record all calls made my Marines, sailors, and civilians on the base for storage. I guess now it's true...

I suppose you'd be surprised to know your .mil emails are recorded too?

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Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#96 - 2013-06-12 04:20:47 UTC
No, I know those were. It's why I never sent anything personal with them. Ever.

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#97 - 2013-06-12 04:23:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
in the case of recorded phone calls, I'm just impressed they have the storage capability. Lol

Russia doesn't want him, or to congratulate him--at most he's a bargaining tool. and they think he might accept because he's an idiot.

he's just another crazy, a la Oswald.

and lastly, this leak really doesn't matter. it just makes for entertaining news.

people think they care about it, but really they just enjoy spy movies.

meanwhile, the forums are crashing because Google is spidering it to death for linking these articles.

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Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#98 - 2013-06-12 06:42:29 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
Blah blah blah I want the government to read all my emails, listen to all my phone calls, and monitor all my web activity, so I'm just going to make this about trashing the whistleblower blah blah...


I went ahead and translated your message from tool to english.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#99 - 2013-06-12 07:22:46 UTC
hahaha yeah and I mentioned people who think life is a spy movie and think this guy is normal.

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Hrothgar Nilsson
#100 - 2013-06-12 07:25:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Hrothgar Nilsson
He really thinks he's living in a Tom Clancy novel?

We got ourselves a real armchair profiler here. As well as an armchair psychologist. And an armchair psychic who knows every thought that guy ever thought. Hell, I'll bet you know what Snowden was thinking before he even thunk it.

I've... seen things you people wouldn't believe...

Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion...