Ships & Modules

Lets analize Large Trimark armor pump . I went in pyfa and setup a megatron with 3x armor rigs t1 and t2 , damage controll 2x1600 plates and 2 eano to see how much more armor we get

For t1= armor ehp 91
For t2= armor ehp 103k

that is 12k more ehp for 900 million is. So its too overpriced for battleships now that it can`t be used on capitals

Small incrememental improvements always have a disporportionate cost.

Compare the EHP:ISk of T2 Trimarks with the EHP:ISK of a +5% Hull Upgrades implant.

OP meant because the demand from capital ships is gone. but OP was also unaware of the build cost, and is probably still unaware of the effect on prices when everyone remembers "how much they've always been."

This.

Take it from another view point, called min/max or twinking. Take your average Megathron with T1 Rigs and standard T2 fitting (that only maybe HALF of Eve can actually afford on a daily basis because everyone is space poor apparently), this ship has average potential, it's similar to any other average player's Megathron. Now take a Megathron and pimp it with some T2 Rigs (you can RARELY, if ever fit all 3 as T2, so that invalidates your argument OP) add in some Faction or deadspace modules, some Faction Ammo, Combat Boosters, +5% Implants and now that Megathron is superior to all the average ones.

Cost is irrelevant, better is better.

If anybody could fit T2 rigs on her ships, T2 and even more so T1 rigs would be irrelevant. A similar thing happened with frigs, cruisers and BCs, rigs got so incredible cheap that every hull is rigged, giving you no advantage if you spend some buck(around 30-60M for extender/trimark rigging) back then or if you actually was a bit more creative with the fitting and chose cost effective stuff(3M, weapon rigging/shield resist rigging) back then and you still owned any non rigged fitting.

I got my new navy apoc rigged for like 45M with 2 T2 and 1 T1 rig(would have done 3 but I run out of calibration points for that), I think that is very reasonable and offers a good value/performance ratio and you will probably find a lot better deals for your isk regarding ship performance if you stop focusing on high demand rigs.

it wasn't phoenix boosting these prices dude. You don't run flare/rigor on phoenix, its a waste of time. Phoenix pilots learn to live with the fact they can't shoot moving targets. Rigs won't fix this...only a ship or cap missile redo will. They know this. They either resign themselves to structure bash detail or x-train to other racial that can at the minimum hit another cap (phoenix has issues hitting other caps).



this price would be due to CNR and now cruise golem. Both of which unless flown badly will make back the ROI on the rig buy decently quick. You need to stop picking fotm rigs if you want cheaper. Here's how invention and building works. If I make fotm rigs I know someone will pay for them. A CNR pilot is looking to make billions from his ride, he will pay more upfront costs to do that. If I make oddball unloved rigs I sell cheaper, they don't exactly fly off the shelf.

Morale of the story....splurge on CNR and your rigs won't be more than the ship. Or pay to pimp your vanilla t1. this isn't a bs only issue. I have run t2 rigged rifters in the past. The rig (s) cost > cost of the hull. I wanted my edge, had the isk to spare....wtf lets do it.

Want your edge on a vanilla t1 frame gonna pay for it the take away.

very true lol

T2 modules are typically 5-10x the price of T1.

Really? 3 random examples.

Strip Miner I vs a T2 is only x2 (2,5mil to 5mil)

Tractor beams? T1 is 1,5mil T2 is 2,7 less then x2

Neutron Blaster Cannon I is 1,6mil a T2 is 4.4mil not even x3.


What it comes down to? If the T1 module is already pretty expensive then the increase doesnt reach the x5 let alone x10 mark.

And well most T1 rigs have a high base value, so they should not get the x5 or let alone x10 punishment since other T2 versions of relatively expensive T1 items dont seem to get this either.

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WTB capital rigs to fit on my battleship! jk. it's the same bonuses.