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"ICE" is gone!!! for the Mom and POP..... Walmart has taken over!

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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#61 - 2013-06-11 11:21:19 UTC
Robert Saint wrote:


DO THIS TO FIX ICE.

Just change the cycle time to 2 times longer than it was (not shorter as you did). Cutting it in half was a mistake! If it takes twice as long as it use to harvest, then the ICE will remain in space longer and allow more players to mine during what ever time they log in. The price will adjust to the new variable. Just make sure that the same allocation of ICE per day is limited, and adjust the spawn times dynamically, not every 4 hours per spawn.

To be fair, a player should be able to log in whatever time they can play this game and have a feature available to them to check out or dive in to. It seems only the FULL TIMERS would not agree!

Peace


These suggestions will not allow you to log in whenever you want and have ice to mine.

The point of the change was to make ice more scarce. But there is plenty of it out in null and low sec. Mom and Pop can make their killing out there mining ice if they're playing afk. (And the faster cycle time helps you out there!)

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OldWolf69
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#62 - 2013-06-11 11:23:39 UTC  |  Edited by: OldWolf69
Even Bots do cry...
Lol, omg. Lol
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#63 - 2013-06-11 11:32:23 UTC
Claude Maximillian Dibbler wrote:
Join a corp in 0.0, where there is still to much ice.


That's the whole message being constantly showed down our throats.

That's some fine "sandbox" game we got here.

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#64 - 2013-06-11 11:40:29 UTC
Will be mining ICE in null this afternoon, meet me at B-D in Delve with your Mackinaws, I've got an ice fleet and an ORCA boost, plus some dudes searching for kills if any pesky rat shows his nose.

Cool

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Tiber Ibis
The Paratwa Ka
#65 - 2013-06-11 11:45:46 UTC
Robert Saint wrote:
Speaking from someone who has been playing EVE a little too much lately, please review this post with the understanding that not everyone plays full time.

"ICE is failing with the new setup because it doesn't allow a player to select ICE mining as a profession"

If a person plays only an hour or so a day, they can't select ICE as a profession period and expect to grow in the trade, due to the limited supply and spawn times. I had a bunch of miners that I was milking the system with before the update and YES, it was gravy ISK. So, after the patch I bailed on the big league production and just thought to have a miner or two mine every once in a while, but there just isn't enough ICE to make it a profession, when you are competing with the big league boys. I went out to the spawns only to find them filled with ORCA fleets ripping them up in less then 30 minutes per spawn.

This post isn't to complain for me, as I have already moved on - out of ICE.

It's for EVE in general and the casual players, those interested in getting into ICE as a profession in a Mom and Pop sort of way. It's just not there any more unless the player is willing to change his playing time, which seems pretty "ridiculous" seeing it's not a real job.....please!


DO THIS TO FIX ICE.

Just change the cycle time to 2 times longer than it was (not shorter as you did). Cutting it in half was a mistake! If it takes twice as long as it use to harvest, then the ICE will remain in space longer and allow more players to mine during what ever time they log in. The price will adjust to the new variable. Just make sure that the same allocation of ICE per day is limited, and adjust the spawn times dynamically, not every 4 hours per spawn.

To be fair, a player should be able to log in whatever time they can play this game and have a feature available to them to check out or dive in to. It seems only the FULL TIMERS would not agree!

Peace

CCP have changed ice now so it is no longer a non competitive, simply sit and wait and a ice belt type of activity, which is a good thing. Why have two afk activities like as we already had with afk mining and afk ice mining. You can just go and mine now in your one hour playtime instead of ice mining. People seem to be having trouble understanding this for some reason.
Tammarr
#66 - 2013-06-11 11:50:34 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Claude Maximillian Dibbler wrote:
Join a corp in 0.0, where there is still to much ice.


That's the whole message being constantly showed down our throats.

That's some fine "sandbox" game we got here.


Resource scarity/competition in High security "newbie/casual" space??? Security=Not so much resources to mine. Risk=Resources not yet exploited by others and rainbow fudge all over your cargohold.

It'll balance out over a few weeks when some give up ice mining and some go to null or low to mine their ice and then the ppl that stayed in high will have enough ice to mine between them, then more ppl will start to mine ice and some will go to lower security to find their precious and some will find other routes of revenue.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#67 - 2013-06-11 11:52:31 UTC
Ridiculous complaining. Ice Mining was never, ever meant to be a main profession in the game. It is included under mining in general.

When the Ice despawns, it's kinda smart to have an alternate setup of equipment for regular mining waiting in station. Or at least be prepared there with an exploration or missioning ship.

The Ice Belt near my base of operations went 'belly-up' so now it's a 9 jump run to get to the nearest Ice Belt system, but I'm not having any issues at all maintaining my Ice requirements from it, and doing everything else I used to do as well.

Despite my namesake, I only grab what Ice I need as even at 1/2 it's former speed, it's still head splitting boring. A boring main profession, especially exclusive, is a terrible idea.

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Sex Slave Girl
Absolute Order XVIII
Absolute Will
#68 - 2013-06-11 11:59:53 UTC
When the ice belt is gone, you go.

A. Take a rifter, scout next systems for a new ice belt, then bring in your ice mack.
B. Get another mack fitted for asteroid mining and do that.
C. Stay docked until the ice belt spawns again in 4 hours.
D. Get a Skiff, put on warp core stabs and do ice mining in low secor null sec.
E. Join a WH or null sec alliance and do ice mining all day, this you can't do in afk mode though.
xCassiopiax
Naari LLC
#69 - 2013-06-11 12:28:09 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Claude Maximillian Dibbler wrote:
Join a corp in 0.0, where there is still to much ice.


That's the whole message being constantly showed down our throats.

That's some fine "sandbox" game we got here.


Actually, you can make some nice iskies mining null ice and selling jumpfuel at a local null hub.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#70 - 2013-06-11 12:30:20 UTC
Also, sounds like OP is within 10 jumps of Jita or Dodixie. Either way, if so that is some of the most densely populated areas of the game.

3 words: Khanid, Kor-Azor, Derelik.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#71 - 2013-06-11 12:31:53 UTC
Sex Slave Girl wrote:
When the ice belt is gone, you go.

A. Take a rifter, scout next systems for a new ice belt, then bring in your ice mack.
B. Get another mack fitted for asteroid mining and do that.
C. Stay docked until the ice belt spawns again in 4 hours.
D. Get a Skiff, put on warp core stabs and do ice mining in low secor null sec.
E. Join a WH or null sec alliance and do ice mining all day, this you can't do in afk mode though.


F. Set the timer for 4 hours and log out until the ice is spawning again.

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xCassiopiax
Naari LLC
#72 - 2013-06-11 12:51:24 UTC
If i'm in a WH corp i'll be more apt to be gas mining than bothering with ice, but thats just me Lol
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#73 - 2013-06-11 12:53:20 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Claude Maximillian Dibbler wrote:
Join a corp in 0.0, where there is still to much ice.


That's the whole message being constantly showed down our throats.

That's some fine "sandbox" game we got here.


CCP turned off the infinite sand spigot in hisec. Oh the humanity.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#74 - 2013-06-11 12:54:49 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Claude Maximillian Dibbler wrote:
Join a corp in 0.0, where there is still to much ice.

That's the whole message being constantly showed down our throats.

That's some fine "sandbox" game we got here.

CCP turned off the infinite sand spigot in hisec. Oh the humanity.

You can come to 0.0 and get something different shoved down your throat.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#75 - 2013-06-11 12:55:26 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Claude Maximillian Dibbler wrote:
Join a corp in 0.0, where there is still to much ice.

That's the whole message being constantly showed down our throats.

That's some fine "sandbox" game we got here.

“Sandbox” doesn't mean you will succeed at anything you attempt; it means you may attempt anything you wish to succeed at.
RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#76 - 2013-06-11 13:36:30 UTC
Victoria Sin wrote:
Robert Saint wrote:
....


There is a set and forget feature. It's called Research/Production. Research and Production takes time. And skill. But mostly time. And a lot of that time is unattended.



Your right if you can find an open research slot in high sec (You wont without a long ling in front of you). Thats why they have POS's but those are obsolete in high sec now because nobody can fuel them in high sec unless your space rich. I believe the goal was to push the player base out to low/null sec which is a good idea but unfortunately your going to see alot of Ice mining accounts unsub (Everyone is selling their Ice pilots).

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Robert Saint
The Grumpy Dogs
#77 - 2013-06-11 13:42:23 UTC
It's not ICE that has changed.

It's Big money - AFK game play is gone.

So RIP.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#78 - 2013-06-11 13:45:26 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Claude Maximillian Dibbler wrote:
Join a corp in 0.0, where there is still to much ice.


That's the whole message being constantly showed down our throats.

That's some fine "sandbox" game we got here.


CCP turned off the infinite sand spigot in hisec. Oh the humanity.


Yet they are too wimps to tell it straight in the face. Guess why?

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#79 - 2013-06-11 13:49:51 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Claude Maximillian Dibbler wrote:
Join a corp in 0.0, where there is still to much ice.

That's the whole message being constantly showed down our throats.

That's some fine "sandbox" game we got here.

“Sandbox” doesn't mean you will succeed at anything you attempt; it means you may attempt anything you wish to succeed at.


We were missing your patronizing schooling, keep it going please.


Sandbox is sandbox only long enough before the developers decide they don't like your sand in a certain place.

That is, while WoW is a canned path, EvE has canned boundaries to players ingenuity, that's not a real sandbox but just an illusion of it.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#80 - 2013-06-11 13:51:21 UTC
Tippia wrote:
People keep talking about this new Intrusion Countermeasure Electronics that have been added to the game, but I just can't seem to find any. I mean, even the new exploration minigame calls it plain old “virus”, which is a different thing…



Wait until your Decker encounters black ICE.

It will give you a headache.

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