Warfare & Tactics

Vampires are less a problem than Neutralizers for your cap. Vampires only steal if the ship using them has lower cap percentage then the victims ship.

Maybe you should first explain if you are talking about PVP or PVE. In PVE you often run into nuetralizers if you are in Amarr space or Wormholes, but they usually do not take much cap. In PVP it heavily depends on what you are fighting. Cruisers, BC or BS usually have at least one medium neutralizer to make life for close range frigates harder. On frigates you see neutralizers very rarely, but sometimes there are exceptions.

In general if you are afraid of Neutralizers you should avoid ships which have any neutralizer bonus (esp. Curse, Dragoon, etc) and to a lesser extend pure drone ships (some of them fit 3 or 4 neutralizers instead of weapons like Dominix).

Nos has never been an issue (post nos nerf) and tiericide has happily axed a bunch of utility highs so neuting is not harsh as it was, unfortunately those utility were in many cases moved to middle racks yielding an even harsher hit to laser users by combining neuting with TD's .. you are hard pressed to compete using lasers except in gangs/fleets with overlapping fields of fire.


Enjoy the midslot/fitting sacrifice, revel in your sub-par fight control and damage output (downsized guns, poor tracking).

Injector was once the correct answer, but years of neglect has made lasers sub-par in most cases making each and every slot dedicated to running the damn things, another nail in the coffin. Would be perfectly fine if the sacrifices needed to use laser effectively were made up for by stellar performance but sadly that is no longer the case.

I think he was referring to the fitting costs of cap injectors. As in, the mid-slot, cargo space, CPU, and Grid combined make them somewhat expensive and require you to alter a fit around them.

The payoff is that you are far less vulnerable to Neuts, or if flying Amarr you can now fire your guns until you run out of booster charges. The gripe about Lasers is exaggerated but mostly correct.

The only non-gimmick PvP ship I have seen in the past is the sniping Apoc with Tachyons - and it has to sacrifice damn near everything to fit them. Scorch is really the only reason to use lasers. The damage for long range crystals is a cruel joke and beam lasers have terrible tracking. It's either Scorch at some range, or AN MF crystals for up close. Those are your two choices. The only saving grace is that swapping crystals is quick.

I never fly laser boats anymore. I do use Amarr ships, but only the drone-centric ones. If I want a gun boat I go for the superior damage and tracking of blasters or the fantastic versatility of projectiles.