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"ICE" is gone!!! for the Mom and POP..... Walmart has taken over!

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Robert Saint
The Grumpy Dogs
#21 - 2013-06-10 23:49:02 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Ice prices are down over the last week.


i noticed that and was trying to figure that one out.

I suppose it's just an adjustment to an over inflated price.

Anyone care to speculate.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2013-06-10 23:52:22 UTC
Robert Saint wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Ice prices are down over the last week.


i noticed that and was trying to figure that one out.

I suppose it's just an adjustment to an over inflated price.

Anyone care to speculate.



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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#23 - 2013-06-10 23:52:51 UTC
Robert Saint wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Ice prices are down over the last week.


i noticed that and was trying to figure that one out.

I suppose it's just an adjustment to an over inflated price.

Anyone care to speculate.



Panic.
Black Dranzer
#24 - 2013-06-10 23:53:20 UTC
Isn't ice mining basically just regular mining only slower and more tedious?

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Herman Menderchuck
AscendoTech Research and Development
#25 - 2013-06-10 23:54:39 UTC
Robert Saint wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Ice prices are down over the last week.


i noticed that and was trying to figure that one out.

I suppose it's just an adjustment to an over inflated price.

Anyone care to speculate.




My guess is that market speculators are dumping some of their stock. If you notice the quantity of each sell order, they are not from mom and pop ice mining ops. I think ice products will crawl back up as those stocks deplete and people leave the ice mining profession.
Sergeant Funky Fresh
#26 - 2013-06-10 23:57:13 UTC
Black Dranzer wrote:
Isn't ice mining basically just regular mining only slower and more tedious?


No one pays attention while mining. Do you log in just to watch your skill bar tic down ?
Robert Saint
The Grumpy Dogs
#27 - 2013-06-10 23:57:46 UTC
Herman Menderchuck wrote:
Robert Saint wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Ice prices are down over the last week.


i noticed that and was trying to figure that one out.

I suppose it's just an adjustment to an over inflated price.

Anyone care to speculate.




My guess is that market speculators are dumping some of their stock. If you notice the quantity of each sell order, they are not from mom and pop ice mining ops. I think ice products will crawl back up as those stocks deplete and people leave the ice mining profession.



I think you're right.... in a month or two, things will settle and the Mom and Pop may get back in the ICE game again.
Ari Laveran
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-06-10 23:58:39 UTC
In a game with this many options and things to get out there and do why in New eden would you want to be just an ice miner, or just an explorer. These threads baffle me. I explore, I harvest gas in WH space, I get frigates blown up in low-sec, and do the occasional mission. Why limit yourself that way.
Dain Highwind
La Isla del Mono
#29 - 2013-06-11 00:00:28 UTC
And who is going to mine if they earn 1-2M isk per hour??? even if it is AFK.
Robert Saint
The Grumpy Dogs
#30 - 2013-06-11 00:03:45 UTC
Ari Laveran wrote:
In a game with this many options and things to get out there and do why in New eden would you want to be just an ice miner, or just an explorer. These threads baffle me. I explore, I harvest gas in WH space, I get frigates blown up in low-sec, and do the occasional mission. Why limit yourself that way.



It isn't the only thing to do of course, it's just the timing of when it can be done. Other activities can be done when "you" as the player want to do them, so choice is cool. I really don't like mining or harvesting AT ALL, so that's why the post really!
I want to have a toon do it with as little effort on my eyes as possible, because it is SO incredibly boring. It was just a nice way to make extra ISK while at work, that's all.
Elizabeth Aideron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-06-11 00:04:17 UTC
Robert Saint wrote:
DRGaius Baltar wrote:
Robert Saint wrote:
Speaking from someone who has been playing EVE a little too much lately, please review this post with the understanding that not everyone plays full time.

"ICE is failing with the new setup because it doesn't allow a player to select ICE mining as a profession"

If a person plays only an hour or so a day, they can't select ICE as a profession period and expect to grow in the trade, due to the limited supply and spawn times. I had a bunch of miners that I was milking the system with before the update and YES, it was gravy ISK. So, after the patch I bailed on the big league production and just thought to have a miner or two mine every once in a while, but there just isn't enough ICE to make it a profession, when you are competing with the big league boys. I went out to the spawns only to find them filled with ORCA fleets ripping them up in less then 30 minutes per spawn.

This post isn't to complain for me, as I have already moved on - out of ICE.

It's for EVE in general and the casual players, those interested in getting into ICE as a profession in a Mom and Pop sort of way. It's just not there any more unless the player is willing to change his playing time, which seems pretty "ridiculous" seeing it's not a real job.....please!


DO THIS TO FIX ICE.

Just change the cycle time to 2 times longer than it was (not shorter as you did). Cutting it in half was a mistake! If it takes twice as long as it use to harvest, then the ICE will remain in space longer and allow more players to mine during what ever time they log in. The price will adjust to the new variable. Just make sure that the same allocation of ICE per day is limited, and adjust the spawn times dynamically, not every 4 hours per spawn.

To be fair, a player should be able to log in whatever time they can play this game and have a feature available to them to check out or dive in to. It seems only the FULL TIMERS would not agree!

Peace


I'm sorry you're botting software is having issues with the new changesSad





No, I don't bot..... I used a software program called ISBoxer to manage the 12 accounts. I had to click all the toons, so that's why i was trying to reduce the number of clicks....


casual miners with 12 mining characters...
Robert Saint
The Grumpy Dogs
#32 - 2013-06-11 00:06:04 UTC
Dain Highwind wrote:
And who is going to mine if they earn 1-2M isk per hour??? even if it is AFK.


That would all adjust in time due to supply and demand. So the price would be relative to the effort involved. If it took twice as long to harvest, there would be less of it, hence the price would be more comparatively.... at least on paper...
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#33 - 2013-06-11 00:07:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Aidan Brooder
Last count I heard was years ago and there were 880 systems with Ice.

Ice now spawns in the same systems. Just judging by what I see around Jita, though, everyone klings to the 2 most well-known systems. The ones they have always been in since they dared the three hops from academy.

There are a lot more systems with ice, even in High Sec. So... move a little.

Also I noticed that there is a certain decrease in mute & deaf people now. Good thing. Well implemented. More fun.
And never should be a full-time profession anyway.

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Sergeant Funky Fresh
#34 - 2013-06-11 00:09:20 UTC
get into building or trading OP, they're better for AFK anyway, you rarely have to log in and most players don't even know they exist . So you don't get pooped on constantly on the forums and nerfed
Robert Saint
The Grumpy Dogs
#35 - 2013-06-11 00:09:46 UTC
Elizabeth Aideron wrote:
Robert Saint wrote:
DRGaius Baltar wrote:
Robert Saint wrote:
Speaking from someone who has been playing EVE a little too much lately, please review this post with the understanding that not everyone plays full time.

"ICE is failing with the new setup because it doesn't allow a player to select ICE mining as a profession"

If a person plays only an hour or so a day, they can't select ICE as a profession period and expect to grow in the trade, due to the limited supply and spawn times. I had a bunch of miners that I was milking the system with before the update and YES, it was gravy ISK. So, after the patch I bailed on the big league production and just thought to have a miner or two mine every once in a while, but there just isn't enough ICE to make it a profession, when you are competing with the big league boys. I went out to the spawns only to find them filled with ORCA fleets ripping them up in less then 30 minutes per spawn.

This post isn't to complain for me, as I have already moved on - out of ICE.

It's for EVE in general and the casual players, those interested in getting into ICE as a profession in a Mom and Pop sort of way. It's just not there any more unless the player is willing to change his playing time, which seems pretty "ridiculous" seeing it's not a real job.....please!


DO THIS TO FIX ICE.

Just change the cycle time to 2 times longer than it was (not shorter as you did). Cutting it in half was a mistake! If it takes twice as long as it use to harvest, then the ICE will remain in space longer and allow more players to mine during what ever time they log in. The price will adjust to the new variable. Just make sure that the same allocation of ICE per day is limited, and adjust the spawn times dynamically, not every 4 hours per spawn.

To be fair, a player should be able to log in whatever time they can play this game and have a feature available to them to check out or dive in to. It seems only the FULL TIMERS would not agree!

Peace


I'm sorry you're botting software is having issues with the new changesSad





No, I don't bot..... I used a software program called ISBoxer to manage the 12 accounts. I had to click all the toons, so that's why i was trying to reduce the number of clicks....


casual miners with 12 mining characters...



NO, I am not a casual player at all.... I am totally addicted to this game ATM....... it's for the rest of the little people I am concerned with.
Ari Laveran
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2013-06-11 00:09:51 UTC
Robert Saint wrote:
Ari Laveran wrote:
In a game with this many options and things to get out there and do why in New eden would you want to be just an ice miner, or just an explorer. These threads baffle me. I explore, I harvest gas in WH space, I get frigates blown up in low-sec, and do the occasional mission. Why limit yourself that way.



It isn't the only thing to do of course, it's just the timing of when it can be done. Other activities can be done when "you" as the player want to do them, so choice is cool. I really don't like mining or harvesting AT ALL, so that's why the post really!
I want to have a toon do it with as little effort on my eyes as possible, because it is SO incredibly boring. It was just a nice way to make extra ISK while at work, that's all.


Fair enough, good answer. I'm just speaking as a new bro with only one character and no intention of investing in alts any time soon. I have not really put much effort into making gobs and gobs of isk because I have not needed much as I really focus on flying frigates currently, flew vexor once it is sitting in dodi stripped of its fittings collecting dust.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#37 - 2013-06-11 00:16:52 UTC
Sergeant Funky Fresh wrote:
Black Dranzer wrote:
Isn't ice mining basically just regular mining only slower and more tedious?

No one pays attention while mining. Do you log in just to watch your skill bar tic down ?

So I had my small mining fleet in a system without a station, and mining in a mission deadspace. There were several suspects and criminals in the system.

After a while I see combat probes within 2 AU (there was nothing else in that range), so I warp the fleet to safety, and move to another system.

So though I don't (often) watch my skill queue tick down, I do constantly watch local and dscan while mining.
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#38 - 2013-06-11 02:29:13 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Robert Saint wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Ice prices are down over the last week.


i noticed that and was trying to figure that one out.

I suppose it's just an adjustment to an over inflated price.

Anyone care to speculate.



Panic.

Screaming yelling and blowing stuff up panic or quiet whimpering in corner absolutely terrified panic?
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-06-11 02:38:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Sergeant Acht Scultz
Tippia wrote:
People keep talking about this new Intrusion Countermeasure Electronics that have been added to the game, but I just can't seem to find any. I mean, even the new exploration minigame calls it plain old “virus”, which is a different thing…


Indeed.

On topic I'd say the only ones making isk are traders and huge roid sucker teams, isotops became so expense you better mine some in low sec or null then buy 20k just for 2long jumps, that's a 30M+ trip when usually was about 15. and while the later is acceptable the former doesn't seem to make things more interesting but boring.

"undocks his Mackinaw" yey ice mining...

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-06-11 02:42:24 UTC
Aidan Brooder wrote:
Last count I heard was years ago and there were 880 systems with Ice.

Ice now spawns in the same systems. Just judging by what I see around Jita, though, everyone klings to the 2 most well-known systems. The ones they have always been in since they dared the three hops from academy.

There are a lot more systems with ice, even in High Sec. So... move a little.

Also I noticed that there is a certain decrease in mute & deaf people now. Good thing. Well implemented. More fun.
And never should be a full-time profession anyway.



Not complaining with the initial idea, just that now I have to mine it myself instead of buying it from someone else. Yes, I'm space poor, I don't like killing red crosses Oops

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