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CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#81 - 2013-06-10 14:52:04 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP karkur
Kusum Fawn wrote:
Option to turn it off.

Stop avoiding this issue.

Mouse should never warp because of option selection. It should Never warp because of deselection.
We are not going to allow you to turn it off, but you can effectively do it by setting a very long delay and bind it to another mouse button you would rarely be holding down for that long.

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CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#82 - 2013-06-10 14:52:44 UTC
Bloodpetal wrote:
CCP karkur wrote:
there is shortcut to make it appear instantly. I for example have a longer delay which works for me most of the time (like when just lazily jumping through gates or orbiting), but if I'm in a hurry I'll use the shortcut to bypass the delay.


What's the shortcut? Bear

Mine is SHIFT, but you can set it in the ESC menu (under General Settings)

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Makari Aeron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#83 - 2013-06-10 15:36:02 UTC
The new radial menus are nice and all, but I still prefer the right-click behemoth where available. Guess I'm just more of an old school PC user than most. Because of that, I will probably end up NOT using the radial menus unless forced to do so.

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Maximus Andendare
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#84 - 2013-06-10 16:48:55 UTC
Makari Aeron wrote:
The new radial menus are nice and all, but I still prefer the right-click behemoth where available. Guess I'm just more of an old school PC user than most. Because of that, I will probably end up NOT using the radial menus unless forced to do so.
When they announced and showed this feature off, I admit I approached it with a "meh" attitude. In practice, though, I've found myself using it a lot. It's a very nice feature, considering that you can click-and-hold on overview items, too.

All in all, +1 CCP.

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mkint
#85 - 2013-06-10 16:50:15 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
Kusum Fawn wrote:
Option to turn it off.

Stop avoiding this issue.

Mouse should never warp because of option selection. It should Never warp because of deselection.
We are not going to allow you to turn it off, but you can effectively do it by setting a very long delay and bind it to another mouse button you would rarely be holding down for that long.

In other news, CCP yet again responds to feedback with a big "effff you!" as per corp policy.

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Olaf4862
Dragoon Industries Limited
#86 - 2013-06-10 18:10:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Olaf4862
I would love to see this on the cargo button also like the scanner button. Cargo,Drone bay, Fleet Hanger, Ore hanger... ya radial to select which one to open first would be a 'nice to have' kinda feature.

Would also like the ability to modify the secondary radial menu to add options I want from the right click menu there are free spaces to fill!
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#87 - 2013-06-10 18:33:04 UTC
One thing that I keep finding is that I'm unable to rotate my camera when undocking. The problem is that the station takes up my entire screen and thus any action involving left mouse opens the radial menu instead of turning the camera.

-Liang

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#88 - 2013-06-10 20:07:52 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Liang Nuren wrote:
One thing that I keep finding is that I'm unable to rotate my camera when undocking. The problem is that the station takes up my entire screen and thus any action involving left mouse opens the radial menu instead of turning the camera.

-Liang

...
So set a higher delay.
It's really not as much of a problem as you seem to think it is.

mkint wrote:
CCP karkur wrote:
Kusum Fawn wrote:
Option to turn it off.

Stop avoiding this issue.

Mouse should never warp because of option selection. It should Never warp because of deselection.
We are not going to allow you to turn it off, but you can effectively do it by setting a very long delay and bind it to another mouse button you would rarely be holding down for that long.

In other news, CCP yet again responds to feedback with a big "effff you!" as per corp policy.

Did you even read past the first part of the first sentence? You can effectively turn it off. The same exact way you could turn off the old radial menu.

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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#89 - 2013-06-11 01:18:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
One thing that I keep finding is that I'm unable to rotate my camera when undocking. The problem is that the station takes up my entire screen and thus any action involving left mouse opens the radial menu instead of turning the camera.

-Liang

...
So set a higher delay.
It's really not as much of a problem as you seem to think it is.


I would argue that it means the delay should be higher by default if someone with a default install cannot turn their camera when undocking.

-Liang

Ed: On the flip side, a long delay makes for a "sluggish" feeling UI. I don't know what the right balance is, except that it's kinda frustrating. Maybe the right answer is to align the camera with the direction the ship is facing when undocking?

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Caldari 5
D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F. S.A.S
Affirmative.
#90 - 2013-06-11 05:46:41 UTC
Olaf4862 wrote:
I would love to see this on the cargo button also like the scanner button. Cargo,Drone bay, Fleet Hanger, Ore hanger... ya radial to select which one to open first would be a 'nice to have' kinda feature.

Would also like the ability to modify the secondary radial menu to add options I want from the right click menu there are free spaces to fill!

This is a good idea however, with one major change, make the radial menu listen to the delay, the default action for a click on the button should be to open the most recently used item. eg for the Scanner button, if you most recently had the scan probe window open, it re-opens that(the way that it used to be before the radial menu)

Liang Nuren wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
One thing that I keep finding is that I'm unable to rotate my camera when undocking. The problem is that the station takes up my entire screen and thus any action involving left mouse opens the radial menu instead of turning the camera.

-Liang

...
So set a higher delay.
It's really not as much of a problem as you seem to think it is.


I would argue that it means the delay should be higher by default if someone with a default install cannot turn their camera when undocking.

-Liang

Ed: On the flip side, a long delay makes for a "sluggish" feeling UI. I don't know what the right balance is, except that it's kinda frustrating. Maybe the right answer is to align the camera with the direction the ship is facing when undocking?

I've always wondered why the default view was looking Backwards when coming out of the station, instead of an "Over the Shoulder" type view forward. I must admit the first thing I normally do when exiting the station is to correct the camera view.

Now onto other UI Glitches, when trying to select a target from the targeted list if you accidentally hold too long/move the mouse too much you get this odd view where it tries to move the icon and display the radial menu and in the end it all disappears and the icon you tried to select is not selected. I think that if you a moving an icon that the icon that you just moved should be selected as well.
Tub Chil
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#91 - 2013-06-11 07:46:46 UTC
CCP karkur

In MANY cases "look at" button is hidden under + option on the right side.
Even when look at is the only option available
What is the point?
Funky Lazers
Funk Freakers
#92 - 2013-06-11 14:12:12 UTC
Please, remove the mouse reset whenever you choose an option.

It is really annoying.

Whatever.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#93 - 2013-06-11 16:10:34 UTC
It's nice that you want to make the radial menu work perfectly, but you need to stop working on it for the time being.

There are more serious, game-breaking issues that need your attention now that you've been neglecting.
The menu works excellent for now, you can perfect it later.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Lau Torik
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#94 - 2013-06-11 17:21:06 UTC
Radial menu does not activate on an opened and pinned Bookmarks sub-folder.

It would be extremely useful if this feature was added.
Ryelek d'Entari
Horizon Glare
#95 - 2013-06-11 23:35:19 UTC
Snapping the mouse back to center is a problem. Automatically moving the user's mouse cursor is a big no-no in UI design. At very least, an option to turn off that behavior is required.

Alternately, hide the mouse during the radial drag event and present some other visual feedback (e.g. an arrow vector from the radial menu center). Keeping the existing mouse cursor and then snapping it back to center is unintuitive and visually not appealing.
Rented
Hunter Heavy Industries
#96 - 2013-06-12 05:14:11 UTC
I too find the mouse snapping back to center after every command to feel rather revolting.

I would like my cursor to remain where I moved it to, rather than teleporting around my screen.
Dominous Nolen
The Graduates
The Initiative.
#97 - 2013-06-12 05:57:39 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Dominous Nolen wrote:
CCP karkur wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

Jump bridges. Would love for them to have a primary action (that action being "jump" obviously).
Titans. When the bridge is up, could the primary action maybe change to jump? Or you could just make jump the primary action for titans anyway.

That's 2 of the things we have been discussing in my team, so I would say likely (at least with the bridges).



What about Worm holes as well. No primary action appears to exist for that to "Enter Wormhole"

You sure? I could have sworn I was using the radial menu for that the other day.



Last time i tried it before 1.0.4 was rolled out i didnt seem to have the primary action at the 12 o'clock position

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Tiber Ibis
The Paratwa Ka
#98 - 2013-06-12 18:56:36 UTC
The more Ive been using the radial menu the more I think it really needs to have the options to "keep at current range" and "orbit at current range"
Tiber Ibis
The Paratwa Ka
#99 - 2013-06-12 18:58:03 UTC
Lau Torik wrote:
Radial menu does not activate on an opened and pinned Bookmarks sub-folder.

It would be extremely useful if this feature was added.

+1

It doesn't work for BMs on the map screen either.
Tiber Ibis
The Paratwa Ka
#100 - 2013-06-12 19:01:43 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
Kusum Fawn wrote:
Option to turn it off.

Stop avoiding this issue.

Mouse should never warp because of option selection. It should Never warp because of deselection.
We are not going to allow you to turn it off, but you can effectively do it by setting a very long delay and bind it to another mouse button you would rarely be holding down for that long.

Very nice. Set mine to no delay and it feels much better to use.