Market Discussions

CCP has said that docked players don't contribute much to the load. They already account for idle players when adjusting the cap, and so they would just up the cap by the new number of idle players.

The issue is that it is the defacto trade hub. If you move the main market hub to another system then all the Jita traffic will follow. Same issue, different system. The only solution that will work is CCP upgrading their server architecture to the point where the server can handle the load.

They could really help the other hubs out with some map improvements.

Short verion: 3 new connections improving minor hub convenience and volume
Hek to Rens gate
Orvolle to Dodixie gate
Bournes to Gyng gate


I think it would be doable to get volumes up to a critical mass point where the most common items are priced nearly as efficently as Jita if it were a bit more convenient to get to them.....

.. it could snow ball a bit.. sort of recursively.

The map really favor's Jita in that the maps in the Gallente and Minmataur areas have much worse sirculation within regions and the regions do not flow into each other as effeiciently as the The Forge - The Citadel - Lontrek (and half of black rise) do.

Amarr isn't half bad with Kor-Azor dumping right into it.. Tash Murkon both having a good internal flow making it attractive to locate in and pratically dumping right into Amarr too. Kador flows in a loop that lets a couple tributaries flow into Amarr and while it loses some "while i'm at it i'll go another 6 jumps" trafic from parts of kador and norther Domain, domain has mutiple loops within it and they allow good access to amarr on alternate routs. Tldr Amarr aint so bad.


The big problem is the Minmataur and Gallente areas. Their internal circulation sucks, There is some flow to Hek within Metropoils but some pipes are so long that their back excit into Hemitar is prefferable.. flowing towards Rens. Derelek is hell and gone and drops only to Rens and rens if far from other stuff... too far relative to the caldari and Amarr spaces to each other. There is a good deal of 0.0 access... Rens make sense as a hub but not for a lot of Metropolis.

Discussing Gallente space is even tougher and I'll spare you but I will say it's regions are far more chopped up with low sec strings and they don't gracefully flow to any center space.... and its generally just as easy to get to Jita as it would be to Rens from a lot of it . Dodixie doesn't logically servern Sinq, Placid Essense Everyshore in a geographically natural way the way to the level that routes flow to Amarr and even less like how the caladari regions flow into Jita.

I'm not Jita bashing. It is logical to have a dominant hub but just -How- much market share it has of the most common items can fluctuate. For certain specialty items places like NYC or London or Moscow will always be the place to find reasonable choice and supply but those cities don't sell more milk and bread and dish soap per capita than the rest of the country. Its a vague example, but with decent "Super markets" selling a broad variety of normal goods at as low of a price as you'll get anywhere, you'll only make the trips to the "big city" when you know you'll need specialty items.

My solution.

Improve the Gallente - Minmataur trade routes ... that will keep a portion of Jita business from those areas more local and as it is recursive loop, the more efficient the market gets due to increased volume the more it will happen.

Stop Hek and Rens from canibalizing each other and make both regions more comfortable to move about with a long stargate between Hek and Rens... one or the other will die.. and combined will be stronger.

Create a jump from Orvolle in Placid to Dodixie . That will drastically help Essence and Sinq Laison be more like Amarr as well as bringing the mini hub in Orvolle to combine its volume with Dodixie.

Then, there needs to be a way to get From Dodixie to Rens far more easily to allow traders to stock both. I've tried.. they're just too far and what happens is that i made separate trips back and forth to Jita as a central restocking area. If I had some sort of supply of a good from an outlying area, dropping some of the supply in Gallente space and some in Rens seemed like a good idea till I made the trip. ... I'd end up too tired and stopping after supplying one or the other.

Make a long jump between Bournes (Sinq Laison) and Gyng (Hemitar two jumps from rens) . The economy in the Gallente and Minmataur regions would have far more cross access, allowing producers to stock both the Dodixie and Rens hubs easily while still consolodating more business in those two with the probable elimination of Hek and the vastly improved access to Dodixie relative to Jita that the connection to Orvolle would allow.

the question is why?? this seems totally pointless. You want to write history fine, but do it for a reason, not just because it is a challenge, especially something that involves this many people. And sorry to break your bubble but this is definitely going to fail (I don't mean to be mean). Jita is a major trade hub for a reason and not just random, Being the trade hub (and the only I might add, highsec at least) on the Chinese server also is no accident. We as players weren't forced to use Jita, we chose it because it was the most convenient. At the end of the day most "logical" traders trade for isk (anyone that does trading in Jita just for "fun" needs to be committed) and moving it doesn't provide extra profit, for a huge increase in risk, much lower volumes and much more hassle.

As someone mentioned before, if you want a challenge, establish low sec and nullsec (I know too optimistic) trade hubs.

Jita changed over time. I think one major reason it became a hub was, that additionaly to its location it was a Mission hub in the early days. But CCP moved the agents. Jita stayed the hub because it was established. That doesnt mean that there are no better places.



sure, but pure isk is not the only source of fun. The question is what you do with it.

Has anybody yet asked, why?

Jita already runs on its own server, so moving it isn't useful.

I was drunk when I wrote this

2 jita`s will be ok imo. One can have higher prices however CCP would need to add jump gates to the new system.

And of coz it will have to be in forge anyway.

But....but tbh, even jtia lack many of needed items especially after weekend. Problem is that u have to many bots macroes running in jita and AFK ppl and logistic become to painfull right now.

You can trade in Jita, with out having to go into Jita ya know.

This is not possible to do because to move jita you need the biggest ISK holders in eve to cooperate and it will still cost hundreds of trillions Just by taking the taxes into account.Last I heard not many have several hundred trillion to trow away.