EVE General Discussion

I am new to eve and recently joined a corp, didn't take long before I got scrambled at a gate and died all in a matter of seconds from jumping in, but at the same time everyone else in the corp suddenly spammed they were getting attacked.

The thing I am wondering is they said some guy in a frigate was doing 500dps. Now I don't even know how to check an opponents dps but that was massacre anything I have. Even if I grabbed my destroyer with 5 more turrets that him and range bonuses and more armor ext I would still be dead in a matter of 5 seconds or less, probably unable to damage him

I am only lucky that my decision to run back 25 jumps and grab my destroyer to use near the corp station on random pirates lead to me spending a small 50,000 on a shuttle to run back with.

So really I didn't lose anything, just want to figure out how I can fight back before I actually lose something worth value. I mean if it only takes 2~3 seconds of seeing me to insure death when you aren't expecting me then how do I have any chance at all?? His two other buddies didn't even fire or lock onto me.

So does anyone have any advice on at least surviving? I can't warp, I can't run and I surely can't fight back. I heard there was cloaking but haven't looked into it yet.

Wardec situation. We also hang around 0.5 space as that's where we are situated at the moment.

Honestly it wasn't low sec that got me killed, when that's the thing I feared most on joining.. I guess I should have believed google when it said gate campers was the first thing that would kill me.

Well I won't be reply for a while as I need sleep. But apparently the frigate had a 200% boost on hybrid turrets or something.

Fly cheap to learn how to fly, then buy better gear.

you are currently on a war against the marmite collective, if its a contract war it will stick for a while, if they decced to get some targets they will probably let the war drop at the 2 weeks mark, or sooner if your corp shows some temple. oh, and the frigate didn't do 500dps, it did 500 damage in total. :D

see if you can get some corpmates to get together on a station with a medical clone facility so you can respawn and update clones easily. pool some money to buy ships, some of the older pilots should easily afford a few dozen frigates.

a good ship if you are new would be a Griffin, with 2x hypnos ECM modules. if you fly in a group of 2, 3 people you can get a cool kill, or simply ruin their fun.

something like this:

[Griffin, disposablejam]
Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

'Hypnos' Multispectral ECM I
'Hypnos' Multispectral ECM I
Small Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 25
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Medium Subordinate Screen Stabilizer I

'Limos' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket
'Limos' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket

Small Auxiliary Thrusters I
Small Auxiliary Thrusters I
Small Particle Dispersion Augmentor I

will cost you around 3.5m isk, so its cheap to lose, and can be flown using very low skills. remember to fly them in groups of 2 - 4 and have some of the guys drop one jammer and fit scramblers and webs.

buy ships in bulk of 20 or so and use contracts to move the hulls to the staging station.

just don't fly anything bigger than a cruiser, don't trash talk on local, and update your clone! welcome to eve.

Best thing I can recommend, ask your aggressors what yer doing wrong, and how to fight better. I've not really heard anything bad about Marmite, so I'm pretty sure they'd be willing to toss out some tips.

Grabbing a pair and actually fighting back always looks good, even if yer a newbie in cheap T1.

Fight, die, adapt and overcome. Just make sure you have fun doing it. Possessions can be replaced. Learn to stop worrying about losing stuff.

Also, and this may sound a little harsh but it's well-intended: prepare to die.

Sometimes you simply find yourself cornered, caught in a situation where there simply is no hope of escape. With frigates this moment is often short, it can be over before you even realize what happened... and you wake up inside an egg. With larger ships like battlecruisers you can end up in the same kind of situation, being webbed, scrammed, jammed... and unable to do anything but watch your ship go down in flames. Your enjoyment of the game will increase if you can accept these defeats and analyze them well enough to learn a thing or two. And yes, sometimes that's daunting! Possibly due to percieved unfairness.

Example: yesterday I lost a Hurricane getting blobbed by a small gang on a gate. I made the *classic* mistake of shooting back instead of jumping the gate. My fate was decided the moment I engaged my guns: exactly that moment made me unable to jump when I got dogpiled by the rest of his fleet a few seconds later. I got every possible EWAR effect on me. Scrams and webs made me unable to move and jamming made me unable to do anything else. I knew that moment it was over, despite having 50% of shields left. And all I could do is watch my ship burn hahaha a very humiliating 30 seconds!

At those times it's best to just accept it, select a planet and prepare to save your pod. Learn from every defeat: I learned that my tank was better then I initially expected, but not well enough to tank for over a minute against this type of fleet. I find the hardest part is to accept certain situations are technically fair in the grand scale of things, while for an individual player they feel like a onesided fight. Survival comes with practice, and practice comes with the ability to shrug off a loss and come back for more.

A fully balls to the wall damage fit Enyo with neutrons deals a bit over 400 DPS with good skills.

I doubt an ion Enyo would be doing 500. :P

A balls to the wall gank Enyo deals 500 DPS without implants.

[Enyo, Enyo fit]

Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

Sensor Booster II
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Experimental 1MN Afterburner I

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Rocket Launcher II, Scourge Rage Rocket

Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Small Processor Overclocking Unit I

Hobgoblin II x1


But thats irrelevant to the story.

Suggestion 0: Don't fly what you aren't willing to lose.

Suggestion 1: Leave the corp you are in and do not join another one until you are READY TO FIGHT, not just for yourself, but for your corpmates.

Suggestion 2: Flee. That will require you to understand all the obstacles to doing that and all the ways of overcoming those obstacles. In the specific situation you describe, the obstacles to you fleeing were that you were warp scrambled/disrupted. You were too far from the gate to jump back through it. If you fired on your attacker or engaged him in any way, the gate would actually have locked you out for 60 seconds. That goes for stations, too.

Suggestion 3: Remember what happens. The more you think about any given situation, the more you can understand the range of choices you had, and maybe make better ones if you find yourself in that situation again, or maybe even avoid such a situation in the future.

"Knowledge is power."
"Information is ammunition."
"Knowing is half the battle."

Suggestion 4: Expect no mercy. Do not accept losses that can be avoided. Do not ignore or deny losses that have occurred. A good player doesn't sacrifice his pieces for nothing, nor continue playing as if he still has pieces that he has lost.

Good luck, capsuleer.