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Radial Menu - action mapping

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2013-06-09 07:12:29 UTC
I like having a radial menu as a feature because I like features, but as with any feature I would like a way to disable it. I have never wanted to use the radial menu because all of its options can be accessed in other ways, and it keeps popping up when I don't want it to.

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Tiber Ibis
The Paratwa Ka
#62 - 2013-06-09 10:08:35 UTC
Ok, I've been playing around with the radial menu a bit more. I really like the adjustable orbit and keep at range features etc, but could you add a keep at current range or orbit option also, for instance if you drag the mouse to the furthest point.

Also the menu works on the map, although it won't work on BMs. So that would be another good thing to add.

Also I would really like to be able to make the radial menu sticky and bind it to another key, so perhaps more customisation options on how the radial menu appears would be much appreciated.
Claire Raynor
NovaGear
#63 - 2013-06-09 14:45:50 UTC
I love the variable option to Orbit at Range -> Pull mouse out for orbit range. The same with the warp to.

This feature is really really good - I didn't think I'd use it - but it is such a time saver - I'm really excited about it now. I love it!
Darcel Black
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2013-06-09 15:45:12 UTC
I'm really loving the new radial menu, but one thing that annoys me is the fact after I choose an option the mouse cursor is forcibly moved to the centre of where the menu was.

Please add an option to disable this behaviour!
Fyrhmn
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#65 - 2013-06-09 18:23:43 UTC
why doesnt this thing work with bookmarks?
Jembor Ovich
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#66 - 2013-06-09 21:08:51 UTC
Could you please add "access customs office" to the customs office radial menu?
Jamarr Whatnow
Lightweight Dynamics
#67 - 2013-06-09 21:26:22 UTC
If your Radial Menu is set on left mouse button, it can be rather tricky at times to move target lock images of ships around, as holding the button down wants to open the radial menu instead of dragging the ship.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#68 - 2013-06-09 21:40:17 UTC
Tiber Ibis wrote:
Ok, I've been playing around with the radial menu a bit more. I really like the adjustable orbit and keep at range features etc, but could you add a keep at current range or orbit option also, for instance if you drag the mouse to the furthest point.



This is one of the places I find the Orbit/Keep at Range lacking in the Radial. It's worth finding a place to add it.
Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#69 - 2013-06-10 06:57:13 UTC
Delayed action is not the same as off.

You have received feedback that people would like the option to turn it off.

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
Laylle Nightblade
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#70 - 2013-06-10 07:56:07 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
I like having a radial menu as a feature because I like features, but as with any feature I would like a way to disable it. I have never wanted to use the radial menu because all of its options can be accessed in other ways, and it keeps popping up when I don't want it to.


There is an option to add a delay to the menu. Raise this to something large and you wont accidentally pop it up.
Laylle Nightblade
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#71 - 2013-06-10 07:57:53 UTC
Jamarr Whatnow wrote:
If your Radial Menu is set on left mouse button, it can be rather tricky at times to move target lock images of ships around, as holding the button down wants to open the radial menu instead of dragging the ship.


I get around this by having a larger delay set for the radial, then having a hotkey set for activating it instantly.
Daedalus II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2013-06-10 08:02:34 UTC
Indalecia wrote:

EDIT: also, when you do use the action from the radial menu, the pointer warps back to the center of the button you clicked (even when it was not on it), which is counter-intuitive and intrusive in my opinion.

I agree with this, although I can live with it, it always feels a bit wrong when the pointer jumps to some other location where I don't expect it to end up. The next mouse move usually gets "out of sync" due to this.
Laylle Nightblade
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#73 - 2013-06-10 08:07:05 UTC
People keep asking to have the menu disappear when the mouse is out of range... though I think doing so would possibly do more harm than good. The orbit/warp-to options allow you to drag out from the button to set a distance, which is very nice. Additionally, the whole point of a radial is having the ability to just toss your mouse in a general direction without having to worry about hitting a specific spot. This is great when quickly performing commands under pressure.

There does need to be a decent way to cancel out of the radial though. I can't check right now (only have access to EVE on my MacBook Pro for the next couple weeks) but right clicking really should be made to cancel the action (without further popping up a menu) if it doesn't already do so.
Laylle Nightblade
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#74 - 2013-06-10 08:10:51 UTC
Daedalus II wrote:
Indalecia wrote:

EDIT: also, when you do use the action from the radial menu, the pointer warps back to the center of the button you clicked (even when it was not on it), which is counter-intuitive and intrusive in my opinion.

I agree with this, although I can live with it, it always feels a bit wrong when the pointer jumps to some other location where I don't expect it to end up. The next mouse move usually gets "out of sync" due to this.


I agree too. At first it seemed like something which made sense and that I should just get used to... but it does violate the expectations I have on how my pointer functions.
Edward Olmops
Gunboat Commando
#75 - 2013-06-10 09:27:21 UTC
I like the radial menu, but it is odd having to change between giving commands by radial menu and right-click context menu. I wish it would be possible to move more stuff to the gestures so the UI becomes more intuitive as a whole.

Prominent example:
when I want to warp to something in the overview, I use the radial menu.
When my overview is so confusing/full of stuff, because I am just in the middle of combat (or someone tells me to "warp to top station") I suddenly have to right-click empty space and select a planet/station/belt from the list.

I know that one is not easy because the menu has tons of entries...
but if there was a way, it would be cool.

Maybe
1. hold-click empty space-> radial menu appears -> select warp to celestial
2. -> a new overlay appears with rows of different celestial types all over the screen (first row planets & sun, then customs offices, then stations, then belts, then special places) -> then you have to move the mouse over that celestial and use radial menu again.

I would have to do TWO gestures to give the complex command "warp to celestial: planet VII at 70km", but the UI would no longer be a mix of two totally different interaction paradigms.
CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#76 - 2013-06-10 10:12:31 UTC
Laylle Nightblade wrote:
People keep asking to have the menu disappear when the mouse is out of range... though I think doing so would possibly do more harm than good. The orbit/warp-to options allow you to drag out from the button to set a distance, which is very nice. Additionally, the whole point of a radial is having the ability to just toss your mouse in a general direction without having to worry about hitting a specific spot. This is great when quickly performing commands under pressure.

There does need to be a decent way to cancel out of the radial though. I can't check right now (only have access to EVE on my MacBook Pro for the next couple weeks) but right clicking really should be made to cancel the action (without further popping up a menu) if it doesn't already do so.

Clicking any other mousebutton will kill it... so if you have it mapped to the left mouse button, you can kill it with right clicking.

CCP karkur | Programmer | Team Five 0 | @CCP_karkur
CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#77 - 2013-06-10 10:15:26 UTC
Jamarr Whatnow wrote:
If your Radial Menu is set on left mouse button, it can be rather tricky at times to move target lock images of ships around, as holding the button down wants to open the radial menu instead of dragging the ship.
You have to drag the targets rather quickly (different from before when you first had to hold the mouse down on the target, it would pop out of the list a bit later and then you could drag it)... that being said, I've had some bugreport saying that no matter the delay, the menu was popping up so I'll be looking into that.

CCP karkur | Programmer | Team Five 0 | @CCP_karkur
CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#78 - 2013-06-10 10:17:10 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP karkur
Luc Chastot wrote:
As much as I like it, I have yet to use it. Interacting with the OV is much easier than searching for objects in 360° space to left click them. Two things you could do is improving the OV visually and completely migrating the actions window into the radial menu; give a separate, shorter delay for the radial menu on the OV and people might actually start using it in a serious manner.


Darius Caliente wrote:

1) It's too fast... in PvP or when simply going to drag away from a station when you undock, it pops-up too quickly, and causes you to misclick, having the ability set a pop-up delay would be amazing.


Sentamon wrote:
It's pretty nice after you get used to it.

Now the issue I have is expecting in everyplace, for example in the drone interface.

I was also hoping it would work with right click to avoid the "click and hold" but you end up fighting the old right click menus too much to make it worthwhile.
there is shortcut to make it appear instantly. I for example have a longer delay which works for me most of the time (like when just lazily jumping through gates or orbiting), but if I'm in a hurry I'll use the shortcut to bypass the delay.

CCP karkur | Programmer | Team Five 0 | @CCP_karkur
Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#79 - 2013-06-10 13:58:28 UTC
Option to turn it off.

Stop avoiding this issue.

Mouse should never warp because of option selection. It should Never warp because of deselection.

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#80 - 2013-06-10 14:48:53 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
there is shortcut to make it appear instantly. I for example have a longer delay which works for me most of the time (like when just lazily jumping through gates or orbiting), but if I'm in a hurry I'll use the shortcut to bypass the delay.


What's the shortcut? Bear

Where I am.