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Probing bug or "feature"?
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Phoenix Einherjar
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-06-09 14:25:03 UTC
I have no idea if this is an appropriate forum so ISD peoples please feel free to move as required.

I was probing down some mission runners on my main for ninja salvaging/looting purposes and I happened upon a rather unusual occurance.

I have a custom filter for BS's, Marauders, T3 Cruisers etc. Big stuff. Stuff that can run L4 missions

I found myself a Marauder and sent a friend into the pocket to clear out the mission runner's loot. He was flying a frigate.

I started probing around for a new target and got a red sphere hit at about 10% strength using the new spread out formation. I changed to the new "pinpoint" formation and got my scan result down to 14%, red brackets @ 4AU radius probes (might have been 8AU). Here's where things get a bit unusual.

The 14% red-bracket result was very very close to the 100% green bracket Marauder I just scanned down - both showed up as unique named signatures. Any time I dropped scan radius below 4AU (8AU?) the result would vanish and just leave the green bracket Marauder. Sure enough - if I switched off my custom filter and turned on "show all" the frigate signiture shows up and remains when probing below 4AU.

I can understand it from the point of view of the probes that "they can't recognise the ship type from a broad probe and so it shows it anyway" but I don't remember this happening before Odessy.


TL;DR - a custom probing filter can pick up "interference" from signatures (ship types) not in said filter.

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Excrus Ite
Goggles Inc.
#2 - 2013-06-09 18:57:34 UTC
That's how the filter is designed to work.

If you are filtering based on ship type, you need to scan your signature to above 25% strength before your probes will pick up the specific type - frigate, battleship, cruiser, etc.

That's why you saw your frigate friend as a signature at 14% but not when you scanned him above 25% when you decreased probe range. That was your filter kicking in.

If you were filtering on the basis of is it a ship, structure, or cosmic sig, those kinds of filters would work even before you start scanning. Filtering based on ship type needs a yellow sig result to kick in.
Phoenix Einherjar
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-06-09 23:45:43 UTC
Excrus Ite wrote:
That's how the filter is designed to work.

If you are filtering based on ship type, you need to scan your signature to above 25% strength before your probes will pick up the specific type - frigate, battleship, cruiser, etc.

That's why you saw your frigate friend as a signature at 14% but not when you scanned him above 25% when you decreased probe range. That was your filter kicking in.

If you were filtering on the basis of is it a ship, structure, or cosmic sig, those kinds of filters would work even before you start scanning. Filtering based on ship type needs a yellow sig result to kick in.


Thankyou. Did not know the limit was 25%, and did not know it could include non-ship signatures. Was it this way before Odessy? I'm guessing so but never realised it because my skills were low enough for it not to matter

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Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#4 - 2013-06-10 00:16:40 UTC
It was always like this.
Garresh
Mackies Raiders
Wild Geese.
#5 - 2013-06-12 01:49:11 UTC
That's how filters have worked for the last 4 years. Below 25% strength it doesn't know what it is, so it doesn't filter it. Narrow it down and it'll get removed.

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