EVE General Discussion

Eve has no competition, dust on the other hand has planetside 2, a vastly better game.

I have to admit: This has been one of the most interesting tug-of-war forum debates I've seen in a while. I'm more than willing to admit that I haven't invested as much time into EVE as most of you here, but I'm also more than willing to admit that if I hadn't actually played DUST I never would've given EVE a chance. It's kind of funny how that works. My question to the OP, who doesn't even seem passionate enough about the cause to post under his or her main character is: Have you actually tried DUST? Have you taken the time out to see how many people play it or even glanced at the DUST forums? I mean maybe you're right about the long term future of EVE, but presently DUST is doing pretty well and I can tell you that CCP probably won't abandon a project that's been years in the making. You're free to think what you will and so is anyone else that believes what you're saying, but I think it's a bit short sided. As for "your money" well... it was no longer yours when you opted to pay CCP to access their servers. They're free to do whatever they wish with it and all we can do is hope that they make positive business decisions. It's not our place however to tell them how to run a successful business. I'm sure they've gathered a fair amount of experience in the past 10 years wouldn't you agree?

Connecting Dust to Eve while a novel approach was a terrible idea.

Console games have very short lifespans. Console systems even have short lifespans, what is CCP going to do when Sony shuts down the PS3 servers?

Add to that they made a mediocre FPS at a time when the market had many FPS that were more than mediocre.

I understand CCP's desire to have more than one product but this is not the way to go.

Dust is a terrible failure and soon a cash sink for CCP. Reviews say the full story as far as an fps game is received at it's core. The sandbox dwindles to being limited to only the best of the best players due to the 16vs16 limitations and numbers making no difference.

Pull the plug imho, before the p2w filth corrupts eve sandbox and ships can be created ingame for cash.

Greed is good, but purity is better.

It's a concept known as brand dilution. Feel free to look it up and see how it applies to Dust and Eve.

I know that's my point. Diablo III and WoW have NOTHING in common, thus they're completely separated even the IPs don't connect and not just in name either but in everything. However, Warcraft 1-3 have a lot in common with WoW, they're not separated. DUST and EVE have A LOT in common, therefore they work in cohesion. That's why your bad analogy of D3 and WoW doesn't make any sense.

The problem you're getting confused with is that EvE is a spaceship game not a first person shooter. Sure that's separate, just like Warcraft was a RTS and WoW is an MMO but the point is the base of both games Eve & DUST and even Warcraft and WoW their IPs are the same, the story between the two are the same, the connections are relevant to each other, and they both make references to each other.

In fact if DUST was a complete stand alone shooter with no ties or connections to EvE, it probably wouldn't do well at all, I mean worst than it currently is.

But then again if they had both PC port and even had the game on all consoles it probably would be doing a lot better than it currently is. For me that's the flaw I see in DUST because there are a lot more PCs sold than Playstation 3's. Since 7/26/2012 there's only been 57 million units of PS3's sold and that number includes all the PS3 that have been sold since it's birth in 11/2006. In 2011 over 94 million units of PCs were sold and this is just in one year if you count 2010, another 93 million units of PCs were sold. So yeah I don't understand why DUST is on PS3 only, and not on the PC or heck even on the other consoles like Xbox360

Here are my links for PC and PS3 Data:
http://www.statisticbrain.com/computer-sales-statistics/
http://www.statisticbrain.com/playstation-statistics/

You can go hump yourself. I love sending orbital bombardments.

First of all, as many others have said: You paid CCP for a service. Now it is their money.

Yesterday I stumbled over one of the systems Dusties are in between games. Curious I took the chance and talked with them for a few hours, asking about the game, etc.

The five big points that came out of almost 3 hours talk were:

1. A LOT of them wanted to know more about EVE. Many of them plan to try it. Some were a bit scared because of EVEs complexity. But agreed that with a corp to show you the ropes they would be able to cope.

2. Many of them formerly played BF or other of the prominent shooters, but were looking for something new, something more persistent. Most said that DUST could use more development, but also most agreed that DUST was on the right track.

3. All - capsuleers & Dusties - were very much looking forward to the market integration. EVE players wanted to be able to supply DUST players. They wanted a realistic market with player driven economy. And generally all wanted more integration between the two games.

4. Also, there seems to be little knowledge on what options there currently are for Space-Ground support. CCP should make this clear on both sides. The only thing I know is you can somehow do it as part of faction warfare.

5. There was a fear on both sides that this will be a game dominated by major EVE Alliances. Both on the DUST side and the EVE side most players agreed that there should be an opportunity for smaller corporations to have a DUST contingent (... or DUST merc corps having their own 'air support' and enjoy the full scope of the game, including setting up bases, etc.. Also both EVE players & DUSTies agreed it should NOT only be part of factional warfare. They are mercs. We can all use mercs to harass our neighbors. ;)

Until yesterday I didn't really care about DUST that much. As many others I would play it if there was a PC version.
But I do see a lot of dreams there and a lot of inspiration. Which means that CCP has a great chance to make DUST a second EVE.

It will never be a BF or COD replacement. And in my opinion we should be happy about that. It could be another slowly & steadily growing game. Just like EVE never had and never will have the subscription numbers that WOW has.

....Is it some enlightened persons first year in college again? I hate when this happens, time to go find food then.

This. Plus I think the currently lame Eve-Dust links have boundless future potential.