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Suicide Ganking: coming to an end?

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SirHorace
Isk And Bubblegum
#261 - 2011-11-06 17:52:07 UTC
I'm totally fine with with not getting insurance from my Suicide Destroyers. This will in no way lessen my number of ganks. Like at all. The price to buy and fit a new one comes with a single dropped miner 1.
Khors
Doomheim
#262 - 2011-11-06 17:53:14 UTC
I love changes like this.
Those who always collected tears are now spilling them at alarming rates.
Evei Shard
Shard Industries
#263 - 2011-11-06 18:01:42 UTC
Removal of insurance payouts when a ship is destroyed by Concord is nothing but an appeasement scheme that a good number of miners are going to fall for.

It will change the amount of suicide ganks by exactly zero.

The only difference is the players who have been calling for this will now be lulled into a sense of "more security" in high-sec.

They have been under the perception that insurance payouts make some huge difference when it comes to someone taking out their Hulk, which is utter crap. Once you get into ships that are somewhere above newbie-ship, insurance payouts become unbalanced, and in the end you lose money on a gank, regardless of insurance.

Sure, it may pay a small amount back, but the people who do this aren't exactly newbs most of the time, and generally have an alt/corp/alliance with a bank full of isk to back them up.

It would be interesting to see just how many gank ships are even insured in the first place.

I disagree with Tippia here. This move makes high-sec less safe, just as she'd like to see.

Insurance payouts removed = false sense of security for carebears = easier targets.

Profit favors the prepared

Messoroz
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#264 - 2011-11-06 18:02:51 UTC
You do realize goons pay their suicide gankers in tech goo right? This does nothing to save ye little mining carebears.
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#265 - 2011-11-06 18:04:33 UTC
Khors wrote:
I love changes like this.
Those who always collected tears are now spilling them at alarming rates.


Where are these tears you mention? I don't see any. I see loads of people who don't really care either way, the people who suicide gank being mostly indifferent about the change, while a few forum regulars troll or try to debate the issue on a theoretical basis just for the pleasure of debating it. If you truly believe what you see here are tears, you haven't actually ever read a tear filled thread in your life.
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#266 - 2011-11-06 18:18:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Hammond II
Well, Gankers have been saying forever "its not about the insurance"
Time to put your money where yer mouth is

tho; Goons are winning EVE by making CCP break it by making it carebear land lol

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.

Phantom Slave
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#267 - 2011-11-06 18:36:31 UTC
I'm in favor of this, but only for 1 thing. ISK Faucet is getting turned off. Now it might not be a huge amount, since its generally cheap ships being used, but it's just that much less ISK being created out of thin air.

I do feel bad for the suicide gankers who will have to work harder to find good targets of opportunity though. Best of luck to you all.

Mmm, I love the smell of pod goo in the morning.

Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#268 - 2011-11-06 18:48:48 UTC
Messoroz wrote:
You do realize goons pay their suicide gankers in tech goo right? This does nothing to save ye little mining carebears.

no we don't have any tech

highsec is safe

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Anna Hyperthron
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#269 - 2011-11-06 18:50:20 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Khors wrote:
I love changes like this.
Those who always collected tears are now spilling them at alarming rates.


Where are these tears you mention? I don't see any. I see loads of people who don't really care either way, the people who suicide gank being mostly indifferent about the change, while a few forum regulars troll or try to debate the issue on a theoretical basis just for the pleasure of debating it. If you truly believe what you see here are tears, you haven't actually ever read a tear filled thread in your life.


Your answer is full of tears.
Morganta
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
#270 - 2011-11-06 18:54:09 UTC
I for one plan on ganking more often Pirate

insurance... feh
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#271 - 2011-11-06 18:56:55 UTC
This will simply seperate the true career Gankers from the wannabe's.
It won't stop suicide Ganking - it will just highlight the phrase "necessity is the mother of invention".

XIRUSPHERE
In Bacon We Trust
#272 - 2011-11-06 18:59:26 UTC
This is a stealth boost to ganking, more pilots will fly asleep at the wheel believing a little more isk lost will keep them safe.

The advantage of a bad memory is that one can enjoy the same good things for the first time several times.

One will rarely err if extreme actions be ascribed to vanity, ordinary actions to habit, and mean actions to fear.

Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#273 - 2011-11-06 19:27:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Hammond II
Phantom Slave wrote:
I'm in favor of this, but only for 1 thing. ISK Faucet is getting turned off. Now it might not be a huge amount, since its generally cheap ships being used, but it's just that much less ISK being created out of thin air.

I do feel bad for the suicide gankers who will have to work harder to find good targets of opportunity though. Best of luck to you all.


You wanna turn off the isk faucet? Get rid of missions, incirsuions, Ice and minerals oh and PVP

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#274 - 2011-11-06 19:29:05 UTC
Richard Hammond II wrote:
Phantom Slave wrote:
I'm in favor of this, but only for 1 thing. ISK Faucet is getting turned off. Now it might not be a huge amount, since its generally cheap ships being used, but it's just that much less ISK being created out of thin air.

I do feel bad for the suicide gankers who will have to work harder to find good targets of opportunity though. Best of luck to you all.


You wanna turn off the faucet? Get rid of missions, incirsuions, Ice and minerals


Get rid of everything .. and make one prefitted ship given after each death.

No skills, no industry, no market.. pure PvP however noone would pay for such game and probably noone will play it.
pmchem
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#275 - 2011-11-06 19:30:10 UTC
This insurance change is part of CCP's drive to protect their highsec bot userbase.

Because that's all it does.

https://twitter.com/pmchem/ || http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/community-spotlight-garpa/ || Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal

Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#276 - 2011-11-06 19:34:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Hammond II
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Richard Hammond II wrote:
Phantom Slave wrote:
I'm in favor of this, but only for 1 thing. ISK Faucet is getting turned off. Now it might not be a huge amount, since its generally cheap ships being used, but it's just that much less ISK being created out of thin air.

I do feel bad for the suicide gankers who will have to work harder to find good targets of opportunity though. Best of luck to you all.


You wanna turn off the faucet? Get rid of missions, incirsuions, Ice and minerals


Get rid of everything .. and make one prefitted ship given after each death.

No skills, no industry, no market.. pure PvP however noone would pay for such game and probably noone will play it.


gotta get rid of PVP

they already a have it AND it has WIS its called Star Trek Online.
AND its gonna be F2P AND it has P2W too!

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.

Jack All'Trade
Doomheim
#277 - 2011-11-06 19:36:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack All'Trade
pmchem wrote:
This insurance change is part of CCP's drive to protect their highsec bot userbase.

Because that's all it does.


because thats what makes sense to you.

and goon tears are best tears
David Grogan
NerdHerd
#278 - 2011-11-06 19:36:38 UTC
Evei Shard wrote:
Removal of insurance payouts when a ship is destroyed by Concord is nothing but an appeasement scheme that a good number of miners are going to fall for.

It will change the amount of suicide ganks by exactly zero.

The only difference is the players who have been calling for this will now be lulled into a sense of "more security" in high-sec.

They have been under the perception that insurance payouts make some huge difference when it comes to someone taking out their Hulk, which is utter crap. Once you get into ships that are somewhere above newbie-ship, insurance payouts become unbalanced, and in the end you lose money on a gank, regardless of insurance.

Sure, it may pay a small amount back, but the people who do this aren't exactly newbs most of the time, and generally have an alt/corp/alliance with a bank full of isk to back them up.

It would be interesting to see just how many gank ships are even insured in the first place.

I disagree with Tippia here. This move makes high-sec less safe, just as she'd like to see.

Insurance payouts removed = false sense of security for carebears = easier targets.


unfortuneatly self destruction noobs still get insurance pay outs.

i tested it on the sisi server with a thanny.

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Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#279 - 2011-11-06 19:39:47 UTC
With the Tier 3s reducing the cost of ganking it probably balances...
Endeavour Starfleet
#280 - 2011-11-06 19:40:04 UTC
The tears I like are those from the big alliances who know CCP is going to respond to them trying to rig things directly in favor of them vs the smaller alliances and corps.


This is a symbolic first step. The next needs to be to change the structure HP of mining craft by several orders of magnitude in order to stop the "Alpha before concord" crap. Make it many times more expensive to take down mining craft in hisec involving concord and the direct market manipulation will slow.